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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I believe what he's doing is this:

    Coming out in support of the 1st Amendment.

    If you have a problem with it. Change it. But he's kinda upholding the constitution in this case...

    You know that thing you accuse him of destroying...
    Then why did NYC shut down all the porn and strip clubs in time square, you make a good point here and your right and that said let the porn industry blossom right next door to this Mosque I would be curious to see if the 1st amendment applies.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    just to make the rest of us happy?
    if they want to improve relations it's a good start

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Better "de jure if not de facto" than de facto and not de jure.
    I meant de facto if not de jure.

    There was no legal discrimination of non-Muslims in the Ottoman Empire after the Tanzimat reformations but it was still widely practiced.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Maybe the big problem is, the West has a history of protesting actions done that they don't agree with.

    Like Vietnam... Not everyone Supported the War, so those that were against it PROTESTED it.

    We consider silence to be silently accepting/agreeing.

    That's why when a Muslim makes a comment like "Well I didn't have anything to do with it so why should I be ashamed" we cock our heads to one side and wonder why there isn't a general public outcry against such action.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    if they want to improve relations it's a good start
    What a bunch of bull****. You don't improve relations by doing whatever it takes to make someone else happy, you do it through interaction, putting your case out there and giving people a chance to respond to it.

    That's what diplomacy is all about.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post

    lmfao you can't be serious can you? There was no such thing as equal rights under the Ottoman Empire, women were relegated to 2nd class citizen status; whereas, Christians and Jews were relegated to third class status as dhimmi. And you were basically ****ed if you were a pagan.
    the Empire had its own system, and you got my point,albeit by chance, Altough the empire jad its own syytem, There were rights for non-muslims such as owning christian courts or schools etc.,and there were no daily insults against non-muslims as in today's america; on the other hand, they had some privileges ,for example, non-muslims had no obligation for military service...i repeat The ottoman empire had its own system and lived for 600 years, which shows us the empire had more tolerance for non-muslims than today's America.



    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Because they accepted their dhimmitude. That doesn't mean that they had anything that resembled equal rights. Even after the Tanzimat reformations of the Ottoman Empire there was still de jure if not de facto discrimination against and exploitation of non-Muslims.
    don't be so dramatic, the empire ,as you wrote,changed its some rules later, after all, we are talking about an empire 100 years ago ...Muslims in USA have to obey the rules of USA, if they want to live in USA, right?

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yeah, let me just that cut short by just stating. I feel no shame over anything anyone does if I had no role.
    Thank you Laila. Perfect example. I rest my case.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Maybe the big problem is, the West has a history of protesting actions done that they don't agree with.
    The West also has a history of freedoms and political liberty

    I don't consider silence as supporting. I consider helping extremists supporting.


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Why should they have to denounce acts that they :
    • Do not approve of
    • Have not spoken in support of
    • Believe no reasonable person would approve of
    • Have no involvement in
    • Have provided no material support for
    . . . just to make the rest of us happy?

    Why do we not simply assume that they disapprove of it, unless their words or actions explicitly contradict this assumption?

    Hell, if that's the route we're going, I believe Captain America has not done enough to properly denounce murder -- not the crime, but individual murders. He should be ashamed of his lack of repugnation, perhaps even his silent approvals, over that crime. He should stand up on the street and publicly denounce each and every murder which occurs all across this great land.

    C'mon Dan. You can do better than that.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    if they want to improve relations it's a good start
    Well I believe it should be the other way around, those who wish to build the Mosque should put forth the effort to improve relations with us and convince us that they mean no harm or insult. Non the less constitutionaly speaking they have every right to put a Mosque where ever they wish as long as it meets code. That said, what ever is built next door to this Mosque, should not be opposed as long as it meets zoning codes.

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