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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    If they were really interested in any resemblance of harmony the Muslim's would come out publicly and say that due to the anger over this particular location, coupled with the remorse they personally feel for the 9/11 attack done in the name of their religion, they decided to accept a more remote location farther away from the reminder of their shame."

    THEN, it would be a Kodak moment.
    It's not all Muslims at stake here. It's just American Muslims who will be getting the grief by other Americans over this Mosque.

    What shame?


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    i think you do not want to understand the meaning of what i said, you just read the words.



    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Because in Turkey Islam is explicitly prohibited from the realm of politics, but that too is changing.
    it means you can govern your country in how you want to, and no it will not change, at least Turks are not arabs.



    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    They were allowed to have their own institutions but had to maintain dhimmi 3rd class citizen status. If they had a legal conflict with a Muslim they would be completely screwed as the non-Muslim testimony would be ruled inadmissable.
    are we talking about the rights ? if so, then The ottoman empire is better than today's America. and if what you said is right, then could you please explan me how non-muslims in the empire lived for 500 years without any 'conflict'. remember it is the sme empire that saved the jews from Spain 600 years ago.



    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    O.K. sport then tell me then in which of the five main sects of Islam (in the Shafi'i, Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali, orJa'fari) has the Ulama ruled through Ijma that the penalties for apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, and/or premarital sex are capital and/or corporal punishment?

    yes there is an Islamic law ,but as i said Turkey is a secular country. please understand what i mean this time.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    The rub here is that, if the Muslims are acting within the law, as it appears they are, there is absolutely NOTHING we can do about unless we turn our backs on our very core American principles. It's a very frustrating place to be watching this transpire all the while having our hands tied.

    I am with SgtRock in many ways. I am REALLY starting to hate those bastards too. I feel that the religion of Islam is a blight upon mankind and I would rather see it treated as a disease rather than a religion, but I digress. But that's just my smelly opinion too. (I could probably add a couple more religions to the list as well...)

    So here's the predicament. We shut them down, thereby compromising and casting aside our laws, freedom of religion, speech, (and probably a plethora of others) thus giving these germs the final victory over us, OR, we stick to our principles and stand by and watch them memorialize Ground Zero as a Islamic victory.

    It's "lose, lose" and it's frustrating..
    Not all Muslims support terrorism,heck there is not even any evidence the Muslims building the mosque support terrorism. So they are not memorializing ground zero as a Islamic victory.

    Isn't there a big historical stink in Israel about some Muslim Mosque that was built atop a temple when the Muslim's conquered the area? I seem to remember something like that. Insult to injury. Modus Operandi. Many people, including myself, consider this to be similar in principle.
    Wasn't the people who built that mosque on top of a temple the same ones that conquered that area? If so then it is not the same as the muslims buildings a mosque near ground zero seeing how the same people that conquered that area are the same ones who built that mosque while the ones who flew planes into buildings are not the same ones who are building the mosque.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MCS117 View Post
    And so do most of the opponents to the building of that Mosque. It's not the matter of if they can build it or not. It's the matter of why they are building that mosque in that location. I am for them building mosques, but that location is creating tension. It's like burning the American flag. It's legal, but many Americans(I hope a majority....) does not like people that do that in front of their faces or stomp of the American flag. It's a sign of disrespect to the people there. And this mosque is showing that despite a majority of people do not want it at that location, "we are gonna do it anyway because we can" kind of attitude. How you like it when a guy walks up front of you, spits on an American flag, stomps on it, then lights it up. But then again.... They can do it, but people might not like it.
    I like your post. I agree 100%.
    I think it is lack of sensitivity on their part to want to build it right there. It is also just plain stupid for them to build it as someone is going to strike at it. Perhaps that is their plan to build it and after its attacked they can show the world how evil we are. I don't know it just sucks. Kind of like letting Rev Phelps and inbred clan cavort around the country side.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    With ya' 'til the last line. Why should they be ashamed of what a bunch of radicals do in the "false name of Muslims?"
    Who am I to answer that question? That's way above my pay-grade I suppose. I just have an opinion to offer. They should be ashamed of their lack of repugnation, and perhaps even their silent approvals, over that event as well as the very tenents and doctrine of their regressive religion. They should ALL stand up and denounce the Islamic bloody zealots and barbarians around the globe that act in their behalf. How can the "peaceful muslim's" just detach themselves as if it was just another day at the beach? Why are their brutal killer's held in such high regard amongst the so many of the Islamic masses?

    Why is it up to US to be the tolerant when that word hardly exists in their vocabularies?

    There is too much I just do not understand to form a well-advised answer. Wish I could be more help.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    i think you do not want to understand the meaning of what i said, you just read the words.

    it means you can govern your country in how you want to, and no it will not change, at least Turks are not arabs.
    Did I ever claim that the Turks were not Arabs? The point is the functions of a secular government say absolutely nothing about the tenants of mainstream Islam.


    are we talking about the rights ? if so, then The ottoman empire is better than today's America.
    lmfao you can't be serious can you? There was no such thing as equal rights under the Ottoman Empire, women were relegated to 2nd class citizen status; whereas, Christians and Jews were relegated to third class status as dhimmi. And you were basically ****ed if you were a pagan.

    and if what you said is right, then could you please explan me how non-muslims in the empire lived for 500 years without any 'conflict'.
    Because they accepted their dhimmitude. That doesn't mean that they had anything that resembled equal rights. Even after the Tanzimat reformations of the Ottoman Empire there was still de jure if not de facto discrimination against and exploitation of non-Muslims.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Even after the Tanzimat reformations of the Ottoman Empire there was still de jure if not de facto discrimination against and exploitation of non-Muslims.
    Better "de jure if not de facto" than de facto and not de jure.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Who am I to answer that question? That's way above my pay-grade I suppose. I just have an opinion to offer. They should be ashamed of their lack of repugnation, and perhaps even their silent approvals, over that event as well as the very tenents and doctrine of their regressive religion. They should ALL stand up and denounce the Islamic bloody zealots and barbarians around the globe that act in their behalf. How can the "peaceful muslim's" just detach themselves as if it was just another day at the beach? Why are their brutal killer's held in such high regard amongst the so many of the Islamic masses?

    Why is it up to US to be the tolerant when that word hardly exists in their vocabularies?

    There is too much I just do not understand to form a well-advised answer. Wish I could be more help.
    Yeah, let me just that cut short by just stating. I feel no shame over anything anyone does if I had no role.


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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    They should ALL stand up and denounce the Islamic bloody zealots and barbarians around the globe that act in their behalf. How can the "peaceful muslim's" just detach themselves as if it was just another day at the beach? Why are their brutal killer's held in such high regard amongst the so many of the Islamic masses?
    Why should they have to denounce acts that they :
    • Do not approve of
    • Have not spoken in support of
    • Believe no reasonable person would approve of
    • Have no involvement in
    • Have provided no material support for
    . . . just to make the rest of us happy?

    Why do we not simply assume that they disapprove of it, unless their words or actions explicitly contradict this assumption?

    Hell, if that's the route we're going, I believe Captain America has not done enough to properly denounce murder -- not the crime, but individual murders. He should be ashamed of his lack of repugnation, perhaps even his silent approvals, over that crime. He should stand up on the street and publicly denounce each and every murder which occurs all across this great land.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I feel no shame over anything anyone does if I had no role.
    i don't know about it's "role," but the church (which aint never gonna be built) certainly has a cause
    Last edited by The Prof; 08-14-10 at 02:03 PM.

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