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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    obama's correct, cordoba does have the right to proceed

    but the president is a fool to interject himself, now occupying center spotlight of this in-your-face issue

    he can't help it, moves like this are in his dna, he's hardwired

    yes, rauf has the right to build

    his neighbors have equal license to tell him how they feel

    and since he really does want to improve relations with em, he'll have to move

    just a matter of time

    ask ksm

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Intolerance Zoning - Swampland - TIME.com

    tell it to 50% of empire state dems, joe, you prominent journo-lister, you

    personification of the "professional left," what were the results of your urinalysis, joe?

    is that it, barry, are you trying to get back in with the net-rooters?

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The only accepted views in all five mainstream Islamic sects are that the penalties for apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, and/or premarital sex are capital and/or corporal punishment. That is the only accepted mainstream version of Islam which makes it the clear enemy of individual liberty and antithetical to the liberal secularism upon which this country was founded.
    you are mixing everything, and have no idea about Islam, in Turkey Majority people 99% are muslims, but no one is punished in any way you think, cuz Turkey is a secular country. Another example, in Ottoman era non-muslims had their own churches,schools, judges,courts ,etc. ,and The ottoman empire was an Islamic empire, its sultans were also khalif.

    you are talking about what you do have no idea or little information.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    good, mr rauf has his right

    but since he really does want to improve relations with his neighbors he should (and he will, in time) VOLUNTARILY move this thing elsewhere

    he'll do so outta respect for all the idiots in his neighborhood he's so thoughtlessly upset

    mr obama put the seal on it, this issue is now gonna EXPLODE

    ksm will have his manhattan trial in the courtroom of his equivalent of lance ito before the cornerstone for this mosque is physically laid

    ie, never

    politics persistently prevails

    stay classy
    Why should he change the planned location? The mosque isn't being built at Ground Zero, just near it approximately two blocks away.

    I greatly understand the sensativety issue here. The decision for Iman Feisal to build this mosque so close to Ground Zero doesn't just affect those friends and family members who lost loved one that faithful day. This will affect every American, all of us - Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, Christian, Protestant, Jew and even true followers of the Muslim faith as well. We're all affected by this on some emotional or philisophical level, but as I've said earlier, if we are a nation of laws and we claim to uphold certain basic human rights, how can we in good faith deny this man the right to built this mosque wherever he wants as long as such isn't built directly on hallowed ground?

    I found this article that may held shed some light on the matter and calm the emotional uprising. As author and orator Steven A. Covey once said, "Seek first to understand, then be understood." I'm trying...it's hard particularly on this very issue. But I am trying. I think we all should.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    charles krauthammer bespeaks pretty powerfully the perspectives of 50% of ny dems (if you stop long enough to listen to em)

    washingtonpost.com

    this is what it's come to, what you've wrought, barry

    you got crack-screened klein back on your side, but the overwhelming majority of new yorkers and americans find their more apt spokesperson on this heartfelt issue is CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

    caveat: the wheelchair bound lawyer AND licensed psychologist, a great man, demonstrably, sure doesn't speak for me, here
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    you are mixing everything, and have no idea about Islam, in Turkey Majority people are muslims, but no one is punished in any way you think, cuz Turkey is a secular country.
    Because in Turkey Islam is explicitly prohibited from the realm of politics, but that too is changing.

    Another example, in Ottoman era non-muslims had their own churches,schools, judges,courts ,etc. ,and The ottoman empire was an Islamic empire, its sultans were also khalif.
    They were allowed to have their own institutions but had to maintain dhimmi 3rd class citizen status. If they had a legal conflict with a Muslim they would be completely screwed as the non-Muslim testimony would be ruled inadmissable.

    you are talking about what you do have no idea or little information.
    O.K. sport then tell me then in which of the five main sects of Islam (in the Shafi'i, Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali, orJa'fari) has the Ulama ruled through Ijma that the penalties for apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, and/or premarital sex are capital and/or corporal punishment?
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Why should he change the planned location?
    1. to demonstrate the sensitivity you greatly understand

    2. to improve west-muslim relations
    Last edited by The Prof; 08-14-10 at 01:09 PM.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    tell me then in which of the five main sects of Islam (in the Shafi'i, Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali, orJa'fari) has the Ulama ruled through Ijma that the penalties for apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, and/or premarital sex are capital and/or corporal punishment?
    i sure don't know, but i can see you're having an awful lot of trouble getting a straight answer from them who know more than most

    keep asking, i'd like to learn the distinctions

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    If they were really interested in any resemblance of harmony the Muslim's would come out publicly and say that due to the anger over this particular location, coupled with the remorse they personally feel for the 9/11 attack done in the name of their religion, they decided to accept a more remote location farther away from the reminder of their shame."

    THEN, it would be a Kodak moment.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    If they were really interested in any resemblance of harmony the Muslim's would come out publicly and say that due to the anger over this particular location, coupled with the remorse they personally feel for the 9/11 attack done in the name of their religion, they decided to accept a more remote location farther away from the reminder of their shame."

    THEN, it would be a Kodak moment.
    With ya' 'til the last line. Why should they be ashamed of what a bunch of radicals do in the "false name of Muslims?"
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