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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I can't believe I am about to say this but...
    Obama is 100% correct in supporting the mosque and I agree with him on this issue.
    I agree with him, too. But I don't see him as "supporting the mosque." I see him as supporting their right to build it. There's a difference. "Wow, a Mosque is just what we need!!! Yay!!!" as opposed to ""As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country." That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable."

    Pretty gutsy move, actually.
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    yes, mr rauf and mr obama are EXPERTS at improving relations

    we all recall when barry hussein jetted overseas to meet with the leaders of iran like he promised 100 times, thereby changing america's image abroad and the whole worried world in that wonderful way of his

    wait...
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    What surprises me is the comments of those who say they are Conservatives. Your very idealogy means you support this measure.

    If you say you support the Constitution, then you support the right of the owner of this Mosque to practise his religious faith in this country.

    If you say the U.S. is a nation of laws, then you support the legal right for this Mosque to be built exactly in the location where it was originally planned as long as the proper building permits were applied for, purchased and zoning codes are followed.

    If you say you support the basic rights of Americans under the Bill of Rights, then you have no choice but to support the right for this Mosque to be built.

    The President of the United States of America is affirming that we are a nation that does not ignores the basic rights of its citizens and will uphold the rule of law no matter how painful it may be at times.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    which one is more reasonable?

    to make all muslim(1.5 b) your enemies day-to-day, or to get the arguments of some idiots(terrorists) in order to live in peace with muslim world.
    The only accepted views in all five mainstream Islamic sects are that the penalties for apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, and/or premarital sex are capital and/or corporal punishment. That is the only accepted mainstream version of Islam which makes it the clear enemy of individual liberty and antithetical to the liberal secularism upon which this country was founded.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    What surprises me is the comments of those who say they are Conservatives. Your very idealogy means you support this measure.

    If you say you support the Constitution, then you support the right of the owner of this Mosque to practise his religious faith in this country.

    If you say the U.S. is a nation of laws, then you support the legal right for this Mosque to be built exactly in the location where it was originally planned as long as the proper building permits were applied for, purchased and zoning codes are followed.

    If you say you support the basic rights of Americans under the Bill of Rights, then you have no choice but to support the right for this Mosque to be built.

    The President of the United States of America is affirming that we are a nation that does not ignores the basic rights of its citizens and will uphold the rule of law no matter how painful it may be at times.
    good, mr rauf has his right

    but since he really does want to improve relations with his neighbors he should (and he will, in time) VOLUNTARILY move this thing elsewhere

    he'll do so outta respect for all the idiots in his neighborhood he's so thoughtlessly offended

    mr obama put the seal on it, this issue is now gonna EXPLODE

    ksm will have his manhattan trial in the courtroom of his equivalent of lance ito before the cornerstone for this mosque is physically laid

    ie, never

    politics persistently prevails

    stay classy
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    It won't, of course, be judicial activism if a judge puts a stop to this.

    Right?

    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    good, mr rauf has his right

    but since he really does want to improve relations with his neighbors he should (and he will, in time) VOLUNTARILY move this thing elsewhere

    he'll do so outta respect for all the idiots in his neighborhood he's so thoughtlessly upset

    mr obama put the seal on it, this issue is now gonna EXPLODE

    ksm will have his manhattan trial in the courtroom of his equivalent of lance ito before the cornerstone for this mosque is physically laid

    ie, never

    politics persistently prevails

    stay classy
    It won't explode unless the media explodes it.

    (Weird. Your post, when copied, shows 'stay classy' at the end. My view of your post box doesn't show that. Weird.)
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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    obama was gonna improve relations with iran, remember?

    how's that workin?

    obama's not very good at improving relations

    why, he's taken a nation that once adored and admired him and turned it into one that changes the channel before he has a chance to bore them once more to death with his insufferable washington-knows-best theme

    americans are PISSED, or haven't you noticed?

    rauf's not very good at improving relations, either

    manifestly

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It won't explode unless the media explodes it.
    there's no "unless," are you listening to msnbc this morning, cspan's open phones show?

    check out the sunday talks tomorrow

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    Re: President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why else be opposed to a mosque being built near ground zero if they are not blaming all muslims for 9-11? If that was true that they are not blaming all muslims then they would have no problem with the mosque being built near ground zero.


    There are nut jobs and bad apples in every religion. The actions of a few does not mean everyone else in the religion is like that. Is Catholicism a religion of pedophiles just because a small percentage of catholic priest molested some kids?
    The rub here is that, if the Muslims are acting within the law, as it appears they are, there is absolutely NOTHING we can do about unless we turn our backs on our very core American principles. It's a very frustrating place to be watching this transpire all the while having our hands tied.

    I am with SgtRock in many ways. I am REALLY starting to hate those bastards too. I feel that the religion of Islam is a blight upon mankind and I would rather see it treated as a disease rather than a religion, but I digress. But that's just my smelly opinion too. (I could probably add a couple more religions to the list as well...)

    So here's the predicament. We shut them down, thereby compromising and casting aside our laws, freedom of religion, speech, (and probably a plethora of others) thus giving these germs the final victory over us, OR, we stick to our principles and stand by and watch them memorialize Ground Zero as a Islamic victory.

    It's "lose, lose" and it's frustrating.

    Isn't there a big historical stink in Israel about some Muslim Mosque that was built atop a temple when the Muslim's conquered the area? I seem to remember something like that. Insult to injury. Modus Operandi. Many people, including myself, consider this to be similar in principle.

    So, whereas, I agree with Obama, I don't gotta like it. Our way of life, with all it's advantages, can be a double-edge sword.
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