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US Muslims prep for Islamic holiday — around 9/11

You mean the facts are YOU regurgitate them? Many millions have been killed in the name of Christianity too, but that does not make the majority of Christians bad either. You say that Muslims want to conquor the whole world? You mean like the song "Onward Christian Soldiers", Manfest Destiny, lynchings in the Old South, and other atrocities? Yea, we have had our share of them too, but most Christians are decent people, just as most Muslims are. And I know many of both religions, who I am proud to call "friend".

Are you calling me a liar? There weren't any Muslims doing the Nazis work for them during WW2? :rofl

Yer funny, dude.

Manfest Destiny, lynchings in the Old South, and other atrocities? Yea, we have had our share of them too, but most Christians are decent people, just as most Muslims are. And I know many of both religions, who I am proud to call "friend".

Yeah, and Christians have been pointing out those mistakes for decades and have been working damn hard to prevent them ever happening again.

Sadly, the same can't be said for the Muslims.

You didn't even know that there were Muslim units operating with the Shutzstaffel. You've been tricked by revisionist historians and now it's coming back to bite you in the ass.
 
damn apdst you should start a fort in Waco or something...
 
It was Muslim terrorists, killing people in accordance with their religious beliefs. Hitler, at no time, ever used Christianity--or any other religion--as an excuse for the Holocaust. Hitler wasn't trying to spreac Christianity.

Adolf Hitler said:
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

Adolf Hitler said:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

Adolf Hitler said:
Thus, Protestantism will always stand up for the advancement of all Germans as such, as long as matters of inner purity or national deepening as well as German freedom are involved, since all these things have a firm foundation in its own being; but it combats with the greatest hostility any attempt to rescue the nation from the embrace of its most mortal enemy, since its attitude toward the Jews just happens to be more or less dogmatically established.

Adolf Hitler said:
Verily a man cannot serve two masters. And I consider the foundation or destruction of a religion far greater than the foundation or destruction of a state, let alone a party.

Adolf Hitler said:
Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the Jews, the most modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their whole existence is an embodied protest against the aesthetics of the Lord's image.

Adolf Hitler said:
The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.

You are clearly wrong.
 
Are you calling me a liar? There weren't any Muslims doing the Nazis work for them during WW2? :rofl

Yer funny, dude.



Yeah, and Christians have been pointing out those mistakes for decades and have been working damn hard to prevent them ever happening again.

Sadly, the same can't be said for the Muslims.

You didn't even know that there were Muslim units operating with the Shutzstaffel. You've been tricked by revisionist historians and now it's coming back to bite you in the ass.

Like I said, facts as YOU regurgitate them. I am sure there were Muslims working for Hitler, and there were Christians working for him too. So what? Oh, that's right, you will only point out the Muslims who worked for Hitler, in order to argue your fallacy.
 
The mosque at ground zero is much ado about nothing too.

1) The vast majority of Muslims in the World, and especially here in the US, condemn the 911 attacks.

Source for this? A lot of Muslims celebrated the attacks and many still honor those who committed the atrocities.

2) A Christian church at ground zero wouldn't turn a single head, let alone earn the outrage that I am seeing from some over here.

There is a reason it wouldn't turn a head. None of those who were involved in the attack on 9/11 were Christians.

3) In condemning the building of a mosque there, you are essentially telling them that they are one with the terrorists.

Not that I am condeming the building of the mosque, but there are real questions about some of the people involved with it.

5) It was terrorists who attacked the US, not Muslims, any more than it was Christians who toasted millions of Jews during WWII, just because Adolf Hitler professed to be a Christian.

Terrorists who attacked in the name of Allah. And Hitler was anti-Christian.
 
Source for this? A lot of Muslims celebrated the attacks and many still honor those who committed the atrocities.

I've got a better question -- what's your source describing how many "a lot" is when you're talking about 1.5 billion people?

There is a reason it wouldn't turn a head. None of those who were involved in the attack on 9/11 were Christians.

So what, if there were Christians involved suddenly we're going to get pissy about where someone wants to build a Church?

Not that I am condeming the building of the mosque, but there are real questions about some of the people involved with it.

The loudest questions I've heard asked about some of the people involved with it essentially boil down to why they didn't do this or that -- why don't they tell us where the money's coming from, why don't they say bad things about those terrorist scum, and so on.

The answer to those questions essentially boils down to the fact that they don't HAVE to do this or that, and we have no legal (or moral) right to demand that they do.

Terrorists who attacked in the name of Allah. And Hitler was anti-Christian.

Could everybody just stop talking about frigging Hitler?

He was full of apparent contradictions and mental instability. Citing Hitler is a lot like citing the Bible.
 
I've got a better question -- what's your source describing how many "a lot" is when you're talking about 1.5 billion people?

I am not the one who made the claim that a majority of Muslims criticized the attacks. Hard to prove that one. Have you seen large numbers of Muslims on TV celebrate those attacks? I have also heard Muslims in rather moderate Islamic countries (particularly Indonesia and Malaysia) where people openly defend terrorists and their actions against the Western World.

So what, if there were Christians involved suddenly we're going to get pissy about where someone wants to build a Church?

I am not the one who brought it up. There is no reason to be concerned if any Christian denomination would like to build a Church there. How many Christians were involved in 9/11? How many Christians openly celebrated at its occurance?

The loudest questions I've heard asked about some of the people involved with it essentially boil down to why they didn't do this or that -- why don't they tell us where the money's coming from, why don't they say bad things about those terrorist scum, and so on.

I believe there are also questions regarding words that were uttered by the imam regarding the responsibility for 9/11. Something I herd on TV (CNN) and have no link for at this time.

The answer to those questions essentially boils down to the fact that they don't HAVE to do this or that, and we have no legal (or moral) right to demand that they do.

Never said that they did. However, perhaps they have a moral responsibility given the tense climate to clear the air of the concerns that others have. Even other Muslims are critical of this idea of putting this center so close to Ground Zero.

I am not saying I am against it. I quite admittedly have very mixed feelings about it. My feelings would perhaps become less mixed if the group putting this together were more open about themselves and their funding sources.


Could everybody just stop talking about frigging Hitler?

He was full of apparent contradictions and mental instability. Citing Hitler is a lot like citing the Bible.

Again, I didn't bring him up...
 
I am not the one who made the claim that a majority of Muslims criticized the attacks.

Nope, but you made a claim of your own that I'd like to see you prove. You also need to define what "a lot" of a population of 1.5 billion people is.

Have you seen large numbers of Muslims on TV celebrate those attacks? I have also heard Muslims in rather moderate Islamic countries (particularly Indonesia and Malaysia) where people openly defend terrorists and their actions against the Western World.

Well, then, it should be easy for you to prove your claim. I await your evidence.

I am not the one who brought it up. There is no reason to be concerned if any Christian denomination would like to build a Church there. How many Christians were involved in 9/11? How many Christians openly celebrated at its occurance?

I don't give a damn who brought it up. You implied that a church at that location wouldn't stir anything up since no Christians were involved. I'm asking you if that would be different if there were Christians involved.

I believe there are also questions regarding words that were uttered by the imam regarding the responsibility for 9/11. Something I herd on TV (CNN) and have no link for at this time.

Okay, so what?

Never said that they did. However, perhaps they have a moral responsibility given the tense climate to clear the air of the concerns that others have. Even other Muslims are critical of this idea of putting this center so close to Ground Zero.

I disagree that they have a moral responsibility. If anybody has a responsibility here, it's the people getting all pissy about it who have a responsibility to act like rational adults.

I am not saying I am against it. I quite admittedly have very mixed feelings about it. My feelings would perhaps become less mixed if the group putting this together were more open about themselves and their funding sources.

Well, that's great and all, but I don't think they have any responsibility whatsoever to disclose that information. Furthermore, I think they'd be entirely within their rights to tell anybody who asked to **** off.

Again, I didn't bring him up...

No, but you continued the silliness, which would be why I quoted you but said everybody.
 
Like I said, facts as YOU regurgitate them. I am sure there were Muslims working for Hitler, and there were Christians working for him too. So what? Oh, that's right, you will only point out the Muslims who worked for Hitler, in order to argue your fallacy.

Muslim SS troops were responsible for one-third of the Holocaust deaths and they did it as part of their jihad. No big deal, huh?

I bet you think that the Crusades were a buncha bigotted racists that simply wanted to kill Muslims and steal their ****, too; that it couldn't anything to do with the Muslim invasions of Spain and eastern Europe.

The Muslims have been converting people by the sword since day one. It's what they're about and they still haven't grown out of it.
 
Muslim SS troops were responsible for one-third of the Holocaust deaths and they did it as part of their jihad. No big deal, huh?

That's a pretty big number, wanna prove that?

The Muslims have been converting people by the sword since day one. It's what they're about and they still haven't grown out of it.

But then I have to ask, if every Muslim is as radical as you say... where are the legions of muslims invading Europe with guns and machetes, where are the armies of Allah trying to break down the doors of congress and execute our leaders and convert us all?
 
Was thinking the same thing :shock:

I'd be especially interested to see how the Nazi holocaust fits into the sekret muslim master plan, given that around 100k muslims were killed in the holocaust.

Although, it was the perfect cover....
 
That's a pretty big number, wanna prove that?



But then I have to ask, if every Muslim is as radical as you say... where are the legions of muslims invading Europe with guns and machetes, where are the armies of Allah trying to break down the doors of congress and execute our leaders and convert us all?

It's not my job to educate you. You calim that I'm stupid, anyway, so do your own research. You'll find out that Muslims operated the third largest death camp of the war. Since you're so much smarter than me, you shoudl already know these facts.
 
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But then I have to ask, if every Muslim is as radical as you say... where are the legions of muslims invading Europe with guns and machetes, where are the armies of Allah trying to break down the doors of congress and execute our leaders and convert us all?

That's what I'd like to know too. Considering that over 95% of Islamic terrorism happens in Muslims countries and is aimed at fellow Muslims, I really can't fathom where this insane paranoia we've got going on in the West these days is coming from. We're had what? Two or three attacks in the last 10 years? I mean, seriously, WTF is wrong with some people? It's like they lose all sense of perspective as soon as they hear the word "Muslim".
 
It's not my job to educate you. You calim that I'm stupid, anyway, so do your own research. You'll find out that Muslims operated the third largest death camp of the war. Since you're so much smarter than me, you shoudl already know these facts.

:shock: There are simply no words that can describe the way I feel about this statement... :shock:
 
Further research, will educate you. Good luck!!

I found both the links you posted(in fact was reading the first while you made your post most likely). It's interesting, but I don't consider the site credible. Not saying it is wrong, but without a mainstream site confirming it, I put it down as unproven and did not reference it. Thank you for your advice.
 
I found both the links you posted(in fact was reading the first while you made your post most likely). It's interesting, but I don't consider the site credible. Not saying it is wrong, but without a mainstream site confirming it, I put it down as unproven and did not reference it. Thank you for your advice.

Shot the hell out of that messanger...LOL!!! Live in denial all you like. I know how Libs reject historical facts. No surprise that your reject these.
 
Shot the hell out of that messanger...LOL!!! Live in denial all you like. I know how Libs reject historical facts. No surprise that your reject these.

This is what we call spin. I say it's not confirmed, you claim I deny it because I don't like what it says. It helps to try and be a little honest....
 
Did you postpone watching football/baseball on 9/11 out of respect for the dead?

My wedding is on September 25th...my Bachelor party is on the 10th-12th with the primary celebrating having to happen on saturday....

The mosque at ground zero is much ado about nothing too.

1) The vast majority of Muslims in the World, and especially here in the US, condemn the 911 attacks.

A wonderful thing. It doesn't change the fact that the religion was used as a primary motivator for carrying out said attack and remains linked in the minds of millions to said attacks.

2) A Christian church at ground zero wouldn't turn a single head, let alone earn the outrage that I am seeing from some over here.

Could it possibly because 9/11 wasn't perpetrated due to inspiration by the Christian Faith, due to disagreements with American Politics in part based on the Christian Faith, and carried out in such a way due to their belief in the Christian faith, all in hopes of it being a blessed act in the eyes of the Christian God? Could that POSSIBLY be the reason why a Christian church near ground zero wouldn't turn many heads.

And seriously, I disagree with the notion of it not turning a "single head". I garauntee you some militant athiests would be upset about putting a "religious", IE Christian religion aka the main one they complain about, building so close to what's essentially a national monument for a secular nation.

3) In condemning the building of a mosque there, you are essentially telling them that they are one with the terrorists.

No, by condemning the building of a mosque supposedly about "out reach" there you are telling them that Islam is closely associated with what occurred on that day and you frankly don't want further reminders of a PROMINENT trait of every one of the attacks when going to visit what is essentially a defacto national memorial or monument.

5) It was terrorists who attacked the US, not Muslims, any more than it was Christians who toasted millions of Jews during WWII, just because Adolf Hitler professed to be a Christian.

Actually, it was muslims. 19 muslims. Every one of the attacks were muslim. A large reason they were willing to commit suicide in the attacks was due to their islamic faith. A large reason they were agreeable to the attack was their islamic faith. A large reason for their anger towards America was rooted in their islamic faith. A large reason why they felt they were justified in their attack was due to their islamic faith. A large part of why they volunteered for the attack was the belief that it would please their lord based on their islamic faith.

Muslims attacked the World Trade Center that day...just like saying a "Men robbed that liquor store" last night or "Man-U fans just beat the crap out of that guy" or "Republicans just sold out their constituents by voting for amnesty" would not be saying ALL men robbed the store, ALL manchester united fans beat the person up, or ALL republicans sold out and voted for amnesty.

Also, nice Godwin dana.
 
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