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    re: Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I think the Obama administration would condemn it, but Turkey is too important for NATO to lose as an ally.
    It's very naive to think that there would be any reference to this issue at all.
    Not an investigation, not a condemnation, not even a show of concern.
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    re: Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    It's very naive to think that there would be any reference to this issue at all.
    Not an investigation, not a condemnation, not even a show of concern.
    I am aware that Obama has been very cautious when dealing with Turkey. Especially over the whole Armenian Genocide thing.

    I just hope that the Turkish people show distgust with their governments actions if this is true.

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    re: Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'

    Wow! This news I think will be stunning to the world. I understand Apocalypse's cynicism that anything will really come of this, but if there is substance to these accusations the EU and the US would be completely undermining their Middle East foreign policy agendas by turning a blind eye to this.

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    re: Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'

    First off the Israeli newspaper is highly biased and always has been. It is basically the mouth piece of the Israeli government. It has taken a German article that did not even make the front page, and twisted the words to make the accusation sound much more substantive than they are. There is a stark difference in tone and information between the original article and the one "transcribed" in the Israeli newspaper. Wonder why the key differences...

    For one, why does the Israeli article not mention that in the original article stated that Turkey have stated they have no chemical or bio weapons? Or that it was Turkish-Kurdish "human rights" groups that gave the information and pictures to German human rights groups, and selective politicians and journalists? Low standing politicians for the most part on the far left?

    Or why did the Israeli article not question the whole thing about a German forensic report.... the German forensic team have had no access to the bodies. The German article mentions that there is supposed a real autopsy report.

    Basically, it is another shot over the bow by the Israeli propaganda machine to discredit Turkey in their own going pissing contest over the flotilla raid.
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    re: Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'

    Pete, since you dragged Israel into this . .

    Why are you never this skeptical when it comes to bad things being reported about Israel?
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    re: Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Pete, since you dragged Israel into this . .
    I did not drag Israel into this. The OP did, since it comes from a well know mouthpiece of the Israeli Government. And we both know that relations between Turkey and Israel are hardly great at the moment so the timing is convenient.. when was the last time a small story about the Turkish-Kurdish conflict got published in an Israeli newspaper? It did not even make it into Danish news media and we have a huge Kurdish population in Denmark, and it barely made it into German media.

    I also find it "odd" that there is such a difference between the two articles, both in content and tone.

    Why are you never this skeptical when it comes to bad things being reported about Israel?
    Have to give some examples, since there are constant "bad reports" being spread by Arab propaganda and yes I dont believe a word of them for the most part. Just as there are negative/bad reports coming out of Israel constantly about the other side. It dont mean they are true does it now. I am equally opportunity sceptical of both sides, as both sides have done nothing what so ever to earn my confidence.. quite the opposite in fact.

    Both sides have lied, both sides have denied things that later on turned out to be true and so on and so on. Israel for example lied about using human shields and torture and they are suppose to be the civilized democratic state with laws and stuff... And the other side.. well, I never trust a word of what they say without 3rd party back up.

    And in this case the OP posts a link to a well know Israeli government mouth piece who have taken an article from a German website (damn hard to find on the webpage too), twisted the words of the article to give a near total different picture of the original article which was in tone and wording much more sceptical of the evidence and sources. There is a reason that it has not caused any waves in the mass media and that is most likely because the evidence and sources of said evidence are not exactly stellar.
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    re: Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'

    Quote Originally Posted by joergan View Post
    'Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'

    Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'
    By BENJAMIN WEINTHAL JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT
    08/12/2010 21:41

    Report: German newspaper says photos of dead Kurds confirm use.

    BERLIN – German politicians called on Thursday for an international investigation into the reported use of chemical weapons by the Turkish military. The weapons were used against members of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), according to the online edition of the German weekly magazine Der Spiegel.

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    This is a War Crime, Erdogan should be arrested and hanged for it, and Turkey expelled from NATO.
    What type of chemical weapons? If it's WP then this is a non-story as WP is a legal incendiary if used properly but is described by anti-war activist types as an illegal chemical weapon.

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    re: Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'

    Quote Originally Posted by joergan View Post
    'Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'

    Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'
    By BENJAMIN WEINTHAL JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT
    08/12/2010 21:41

    Report: German newspaper says photos of dead Kurds confirm use.

    BERLIN – German politicians called on Thursday for an international investigation into the reported use of chemical weapons by the Turkish military. The weapons were used against members of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), according to the online edition of the German weekly magazine Der Spiegel.

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    This is a War Crime, Erdogan should be arrested and hanged for it, and Turkey expelled from NATO.
    I say we bomb them, invade them, look for weapons, hang their leader, and then attempt to restructure their government...

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    re: Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I did not drag Israel into this. The OP did, since it comes from a well know mouthpiece of the Israeli Government.
    Jerusalem Post is an independent newspaper, although I am fully aware of your damaged opinion that Israeli newspapers cannot be independent if only because they are Israeli, but that controversial notion is irrelevant to the facts.
    Now if you want to claim it's biased then feel free to do so, but it is certainly not a "mouthpiece of the Israeli government" as it has no governmental control.
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    re: Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    What type of chemical weapons? If it's WP then this is a non-story as WP is a legal incendiary if used properly but is described by anti-war activist types as an illegal chemical weapon.
    Obviously it's not WP they're talking about, otherwise it wouldn't count as news.
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