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Majority of Americans now support gay marriage according to CNN poll.

You gay marriage backers have a long way to go....



Same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Defense of Marriage Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This as it should be.... if the majority of the voters in a State votes to ban or allow gay marriage, the people of that State that don't like the outcome of the vote have the option to go to another State that more closely follows their values. If the Fed is allowed to "homogenize" the law, and either ban gay marriage for all States, or force gay marriage on all States, a certain percentage of the population will be disenfranchised, and the diversity of our country will be compromised.


Excellent post, and analysis!


Tim-
 
Crunch I did check the graph, and quite being dishonest, and you look at the graph again because what I saw was 47% being pro choice while only 45% being pro life which means the 47% would out weight the 45% in a democracy. Hell frankly I don't care what it is called I was just asking how he saw a majority was pro life when it was obvious the higher number was on the pro choice side.

And about this gay marriage thing, I also frankly don't care if they do get married since it is their legal right to do so. It not a moral issues that should be left out of politics.
 
Crunch I did check the graph, and quite being dishonest, and you look at the graph again because what I saw was 47% being pro choice while only 45% being pro life which means the 47% would out weight the 45% in a democracy. Hell frankly I don't care what it is called I was just asking how he saw a majority was pro life when it was obvious the higher number was on the pro choice side.

And about this gay marriage thing, I also frankly don't care if they do get married since it is their legal right to do so. It not a moral issues that should be left out of politics.

It's not a moral issue if one takes fundamental rights into account. Fundamental rights are those that are not granted by the state. They are above them, and they trump all else. "Fundamental rights are a generally-regarded set of entitlements in the context of a legal system, wherein such system is itself said to be based upon this same set of basic, fundamental, or inalienable entitlements or "rights." Such rights thus belong without presumption or cost of privilege to all human beings under such jurisdiction." - Link

There's nothing moral about that. It is in fact lacking any moral context.


Tim-
 
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It's not a moral issue if one takes fundamental rights into account. Fundamental rights are those that are not granted by the state. They are above them, and they trump all else. "Fundamental rights are a generally-regarded set of entitlements in the context of a legal system, wherein such system is itself said to be based upon this same set of basic, fundamental, or inalienable entitlements or "rights." Such rights thus belong without presumption or cost of privilege to all human beings under such jurisdiction." - Link

There's nothing moral about that. It is in fact lacking any moral context.


Tim-


And I agree that gay marriage should be a right under the laws of the constitution but a lot of people against gay marriage bring up that its a moral issue which I don't think it is a moral issue. And the fact the bring up religion as to why they think the government shouldn't recognize the marriage in question.

This is why I don't take the anti gay marriage crowd seriously.
 
And I agree that gay marriage should be a right under the laws of the constitution but a lot of people against gay marriage bring up that its a moral issue which I don't think it is a moral issue. And the fact the bring up religion as to why they think the government shouldn't recognize the marriage in question.

This is why I don't take the anti gay marriage crowd seriously.

To my knowledge, there is no moral reason to deny anyone the right to marriage. I'm one of those anti-gay marriage crowd, but my valid reasons are legal in nature, not based on any moral compass. My personal reasons are based on moral criteria, but they are personal reasons, and not valid in any legal argument.

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You gay marriage backers have a long way to go....



Same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Defense of Marriage Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This as it should be.... if the majority of the voters in a State votes to ban or allow gay marriage, the people of that State that don't like the outcome of the vote have the option to go to another State that more closely follows their values. If the Fed is allowed to "homogenize" the law, and either ban gay marriage for all States, or force gay marriage on all States, a certain percentage of the population will be disenfranchised, and the diversity of our country will be compromised.

You know that DOMA lost in court just recently didn't you? DOMA lost, Prop 8 lost, more and more people are starting to support gay marriage. It's not a good trend for you.
 
Crunch I did check the graph, and quite being dishonest, and you look at the graph again because what I saw was 47% being pro choice while only 45% being pro life which means the 47% would out weight the 45% in a democracy. Hell frankly I don't care what it is called I was just asking how he saw a majority was pro life when it was obvious the higher number was on the pro choice side.

And about this gay marriage thing, I also frankly don't care if they do get married since it is their legal right to do so. It not a moral issues that should be left out of politics.

Hmmmmm..... you need glasses or you are getting senile.

Posted by Digsbe: post 12

I did state that the majority support restricted abortions
If you look at this statistic it shows the majority consider themselves to be pro-life (even though it's minute)
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Although this thread isn't about abortion, and I don't want to derail it. The point I am making is that the trend is increasing towards being pro-life (with them now being a small majority) while the trend is becoming for favorable towards SSM. The reality though, is that many states have passed marriage definitions that exclude homosexuality, and to my knowledge no state has done the opposite via a popular election.

Posted by you in responce to Digsbe's post: post 17

Digsbee quite being dishonest that thing doesn't saying anything about the majority being pro life it does however say the opposite that 47% are pro choice while only 45% are pro life. How does 45% equal the majority of the population when obviously the higher number are the people that are pro choice?

I also say this will be a growing trend, since the older generations are dieing out while the younger people who hang out with gays, and Lesbians know they are great people who shouldn't be demonized. They are the closest friend a person could have, since I know a couple of Homosexuals that are friends of my sister they're great people who deserve to be able to get married . Screw anyone who wants to take that away from people because god told you too do so.

Posted by me in responce to your post: post 18

I think you best go back and look at that again..... what I saw was 46% pro-life and 45.5% pro-choice...... I'm guessing the missing 1.5% didn't have an opinion.

BTW……. That makes pro-life a majority.

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You know that DOMA lost in court just recently didn't you? DOMA lost, Prop 8 lost, more and more people are starting to support gay marriage. It's not a good trend for you.

This just reinforces my argument for the Fed to keep out of it and let States decide.

Gay-rights advocates scored a major victory Thursday as a federal judge in Boston ruled that the Defense of Marriage Act — a measure Congress passed in 1996 to prevent the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriage—is unconstitutional.


Judge Joseph Tauro said the federal government essentially had no business seeking to regulate marriage rules, which he said have traditionally been the exclusive province of the states.


“The government’s argument assumes that Congress has some interest in a uniform definition of marriage for purposes of determining federal rights, benefits, and privileges. There is no such interest,” Tauro wrote in ruling on a pair of lawsuits challenging the anti-gay marriage law known as DOMA.



Read more: Court strikes down DOMA - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

See post 50
 
It still makes it a purist my mistake about the number damn small print that is close to gather. However it still wouldn't be a majority it is still a plurality. However in the link it say that 53% say its good thing for America on the second page.


From the moral, aspect of the thing it seem its most of the liberal ideas are wining however Abortion is a potentiality issue for a lot of people.


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Basically it seems that abortion is namely a real divided issues between Americans. However the law is not on the pro life side, since woman have a right to privacy.
 
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It still makes it a purist my mistake about the number damn small print that is close to gather. However it still wouldn't be a majority it is still a plurality. However in the link it say that 53% say its good thing for America on the second page.


From the moral, aspect of the thing it seem its most of the liberal ideas are wining however Abortion is a potentiality issue for a lot of people.


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Basically it seems that abortion is namely a real divided issues between Americans. However the law is not on the pro life side, since woman have a right to privacy.

And a baby has a right to life. Abortion is murder.
 
In the past was less than 2 years ago Redress. 3 votes, all struck down. This is one single poll with as others have pointed out a misleading question.

You are correct. The last vote was less than 2 years ago. Less than 2 years ago, based on the polling data shown, people where more against gay marriage, which kinda was my point...
 
CNN Poll huh.....I could get a poll from FOX that would say that 90% of all people are against gay marriage.........Why didn't you just get a poll from moveon.org? If gay marriage is so popular why does it get defeated soundly every time its on a state ballot.....It just does not compute my left wing friends........
 
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CNN Poll huh.....I could get a poll from FOX that would say that 90% of all people are against gay marriage.........Why didn't you just get a poll from moveon.org? If gay marriage is so popular why does it get defeated soundly every time its on a state ballot.....It just does not compute my left wing friends........

Let's see that poll from Fox navy. Put up!
 
CNN Poll huh.....I could get a poll from FOX that would say that 90% of all people are against gay marriage.........Why didn't you just get a poll from moveon.org? If gay marriage is so popular why does it get defeated soundly every time its on a state ballot.....It just does not compute my left wing friends........

I would not consider 52% pro Prop 8 in Cali to be "soundly". Like the CNN graph showed, the trend is changing to support gay marriage. You can look at it how ever you want, but I believe Danarea is right... older generations are dying out, and the younger generations support gay rights at a much higher rate than older generations.
 
CNN Poll huh.....I could get a poll from FOX that would say that 90% of all people are against gay marriage.........Why didn't you just get a poll from moveon.org? If gay marriage is so popular why does it get defeated soundly every time its on a state ballot.....It just does not compute my left wing friends........

Since you never back this stuff up, I decided to look.
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/081310_RoundupPoll.pdf

Do you believe gays and lesbians should be:
SCALE: 1. Allowed to get legally married, 2. Allowed a legal partnership
similar to but not called marriage, or 3. Should there be no legal recognition
given to gay and lesbian relationships? 4. (Don’t know)

Aug 10 37% 29 28 6

So, even FOX news disagrees with you on what FOX news polls show.
 
CNN Poll huh.....I could get a poll from FOX that would say that 90% of all people are against gay marriage.........Why didn't you just get a poll from moveon.org? If gay marriage is so popular why does it get defeated soundly every time its on a state ballot.....It just does not compute my left wing friends........

Notice my CNN poll shows a majority are still against it as of last Wednesday
 
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First off why does anyone here try and debate with crunch? The guy thinks Obama's presidency is illegal so how could he be in his right mind? Second, anyone that wants to debate if CNN is skewed one way or another should actually watch CNN for awhile, it is pretty down the middle. I think that's why they are worst in ratings no one likes someone who tells both sides evenly and doesn't take sides like a petty thug (MSNBC, Fox).
 
You gay marriage backers have a long way to go....



Same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Defense of Marriage Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This as it should be.... if the majority of the voters in a State votes to ban or allow gay marriage, the people of that State that don't like the outcome of the vote have the option to go to another State that more closely follows their values. If the Fed is allowed to "homogenize" the law, and either ban gay marriage for all States, or force gay marriage on all States, a certain percentage of the population will be disenfranchised, and the diversity of our country will be compromised.

I can't tell you how pleased I am that many Republicans are learning nothing from this. Please, keep right on alienating everyone who isn't white, Christian and straight. We will take everyone else, and of course we also have white, straight Christians on our side as well. Guess which group will end up with a permanent majority?
 
I can't tell you how pleased I am that many Republicans are learning nothing from this. Please, keep right on alienating everyone who isn't white, Christian and straight. We will take everyone else, and of course we also have white, straight Christians on our side as well. Guess which group will end up with a permanent majority?

We see that in Obama's approval ratings
 
We see that in Obama's approval ratings
Which are, of course, still higher than the GOP's approval ratings (and, I might add, about the same as where Reagan's were at this point in his administration.)

Even so, it misses the point; this is not about a specific politician, it's about the future of your party. To win, you need to get moderates. Any party that moves too far to one extreme is going to lose.
 
(and, I might add, about the same as where Reagan's were at this point in his administration.)

The right-wing (who idolize Reagan) rather conveniently overlook this.....and they overlook Reagan's unemployment numbers which were worse than Obama's.....
It cracks me up whenever I read them ranting and raving....
 
Which are, of course, still higher than the GOP's approval ratings (and, I might add, about the same as where Reagan's were at this point in his administration.)

Even so, it misses the point; this is not about a specific politician, it's about the future of your party. To win, you need to get moderates. Any party that moves too far to one extreme is going to lose.

Want to compare them to Bush at the same time in his presidency?
 
Want to compare them to Bush at the same time in his presidency?

How about Reagan, since he did not get a bump from 9/11. Reagan was about 40 % approval at this point. Clinton, about 40 %. Obama, about 45 %.
 
what were the rail splitter's numbers at this point (LOL!), y'know, old honest abe?

anyway...

TODAY president barack hussein obama is UNDERWATER on virtually EVERY major domestic issue facing this nation in its CURRENT state of dire CRISIS

on immigration, pew has his position at 59 to 32, a plurality deficit of TWENTY SEVEN PERCENT

on birthright citizenship, hussein obama is THIRTY FOUR POINTS behind, 58 to 24

on the mosque, hussein trails america, by THIRTY NINE, 68 to 29, says cnn

on REPEAL of the mandate the show me state has spoken, measure C passed, 71 to 29, a margin of FORTY TWO

i could go on (and on), believe me

i have the LINKS!!!

why, they're all over the msm

it's news like this that harries the hussein junta so horrendously it starts accusing its own base, the "professional left," which openly gnashes its perfectly straightened and shiny, $10,000 teeth in dismay over this record of universal failure, of being in need of drug testing

just what is it that makes the white house suspect its base is a bunch of druggies?

the whole thing, if you stop and think about it, is really weird
 
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