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    Re: Majority of Americans now support gay marriage according to CNN poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You gay marriage backers have a long way to go....



    Same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Defense of Marriage Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This as it should be.... if the majority of the voters in a State votes to ban or allow gay marriage, the people of that State that don't like the outcome of the vote have the option to go to another State that more closely follows their values. If the Fed is allowed to "homogenize" the law, and either ban gay marriage for all States, or force gay marriage on all States, a certain percentage of the population will be disenfranchised, and the diversity of our country will be compromised.

    Excellent post, and analysis!


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    Re: Majority of Americans now support gay marriage according to CNN poll.

    Crunch I did check the graph, and quite being dishonest, and you look at the graph again because what I saw was 47% being pro choice while only 45% being pro life which means the 47% would out weight the 45% in a democracy. Hell frankly I don't care what it is called I was just asking how he saw a majority was pro life when it was obvious the higher number was on the pro choice side.

    And about this gay marriage thing, I also frankly don't care if they do get married since it is their legal right to do so. It not a moral issues that should be left out of politics.

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    Re: Majority of Americans now support gay marriage according to CNN poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Crunch I did check the graph, and quite being dishonest, and you look at the graph again because what I saw was 47% being pro choice while only 45% being pro life which means the 47% would out weight the 45% in a democracy. Hell frankly I don't care what it is called I was just asking how he saw a majority was pro life when it was obvious the higher number was on the pro choice side.

    And about this gay marriage thing, I also frankly don't care if they do get married since it is their legal right to do so. It not a moral issues that should be left out of politics.
    It's not a moral issue if one takes fundamental rights into account. Fundamental rights are those that are not granted by the state. They are above them, and they trump all else. "Fundamental rights are a generally-regarded set of entitlements in the context of a legal system, wherein such system is itself said to be based upon this same set of basic, fundamental, or inalienable entitlements or "rights." Such rights thus belong without presumption or cost of privilege to all human beings under such jurisdiction." - Link

    There's nothing moral about that. It is in fact lacking any moral context.


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    Re: Majority of Americans now support gay marriage according to CNN poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    It's not a moral issue if one takes fundamental rights into account. Fundamental rights are those that are not granted by the state. They are above them, and they trump all else. "Fundamental rights are a generally-regarded set of entitlements in the context of a legal system, wherein such system is itself said to be based upon this same set of basic, fundamental, or inalienable entitlements or "rights." Such rights thus belong without presumption or cost of privilege to all human beings under such jurisdiction." - Link

    There's nothing moral about that. It is in fact lacking any moral context.


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    And I agree that gay marriage should be a right under the laws of the constitution but a lot of people against gay marriage bring up that its a moral issue which I don't think it is a moral issue. And the fact the bring up religion as to why they think the government shouldn't recognize the marriage in question.

    This is why I don't take the anti gay marriage crowd seriously.

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    Re: Majority of Americans now support gay marriage according to CNN poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    And I agree that gay marriage should be a right under the laws of the constitution but a lot of people against gay marriage bring up that its a moral issue which I don't think it is a moral issue. And the fact the bring up religion as to why they think the government shouldn't recognize the marriage in question.

    This is why I don't take the anti gay marriage crowd seriously.
    To my knowledge, there is no moral reason to deny anyone the right to marriage. I'm one of those anti-gay marriage crowd, but my valid reasons are legal in nature, not based on any moral compass. My personal reasons are based on moral criteria, but they are personal reasons, and not valid in any legal argument.

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    Re: Majority of Americans now support gay marriage according to CNN poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You gay marriage backers have a long way to go....



    Same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Defense of Marriage Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This as it should be.... if the majority of the voters in a State votes to ban or allow gay marriage, the people of that State that don't like the outcome of the vote have the option to go to another State that more closely follows their values. If the Fed is allowed to "homogenize" the law, and either ban gay marriage for all States, or force gay marriage on all States, a certain percentage of the population will be disenfranchised, and the diversity of our country will be compromised.
    You know that DOMA lost in court just recently didn't you? DOMA lost, Prop 8 lost, more and more people are starting to support gay marriage. It's not a good trend for you.
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    Re: Majority of Americans now support gay marriage according to CNN poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Crunch I did check the graph, and quite being dishonest, and you look at the graph again because what I saw was 47% being pro choice while only 45% being pro life which means the 47% would out weight the 45% in a democracy. Hell frankly I don't care what it is called I was just asking how he saw a majority was pro life when it was obvious the higher number was on the pro choice side.

    And about this gay marriage thing, I also frankly don't care if they do get married since it is their legal right to do so. It not a moral issues that should be left out of politics.
    Hmmmmm..... you need glasses or you are getting senile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I did state that the majority support restricted abortions
    If you look at this statistic it shows the majority consider themselves to be pro-life (even though it's minute)
    Abortion


    Although this thread isn't about abortion, and I don't want to derail it. The point I am making is that the trend is increasing towards being pro-life (with them now being a small majority) while the trend is becoming for favorable towards SSM. The reality though, is that many states have passed marriage definitions that exclude homosexuality, and to my knowledge no state has done the opposite via a popular election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Digsbee quite being dishonest that thing doesn't saying anything about the majority being pro life it does however say the opposite that 47% are pro choice while only 45% are pro life. How does 45% equal the majority of the population when obviously the higher number are the people that are pro choice?

    I also say this will be a growing trend, since the older generations are dieing out while the younger people who hang out with gays, and Lesbians know they are great people who shouldn't be demonized. They are the closest friend a person could have, since I know a couple of Homosexuals that are friends of my sister they're great people who deserve to be able to get married . Screw anyone who wants to take that away from people because god told you too do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I think you best go back and look at that again..... what I saw was 46% pro-life and 45.5% pro-choice...... I'm guessing the missing 1.5% didn't have an opinion.

    BTW……. That makes pro-life a majority.
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    Re: Majority of Americans now support gay marriage according to CNN poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You know that DOMA lost in court just recently didn't you? DOMA lost, Prop 8 lost, more and more people are starting to support gay marriage. It's not a good trend for you.
    This just reinforces my argument for the Fed to keep out of it and let States decide.

    Gay-rights advocates scored a major victory Thursday as a federal judge in Boston ruled that the Defense of Marriage Act — a measure Congress passed in 1996 to prevent the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriage—is unconstitutional.


    Judge Joseph Tauro said the federal government essentially had no business seeking to regulate marriage rules, which he said have traditionally been the exclusive province of the states.


    “The government’s argument assumes that Congress has some interest in a uniform definition of marriage for purposes of determining federal rights, benefits, and privileges. There is no such interest,” Tauro wrote in ruling on a pair of lawsuits challenging the anti-gay marriage law known as DOMA.


    Read more: Court strikes down DOMA - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Majority of Americans now support gay marriage according to CNN poll.

    It still makes it a purist my mistake about the number damn small print that is close to gather. However it still wouldn't be a majority it is still a plurality. However in the link it say that 53% say its good thing for America on the second page.


    From the moral, aspect of the thing it seem its most of the liberal ideas are wining however Abortion is a potentiality issue for a lot of people.





    Basically it seems that abortion is namely a real divided issues between Americans. However the law is not on the pro life side, since woman have a right to privacy.
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    Re: Majority of Americans now support gay marriage according to CNN poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    It still makes it a purist my mistake about the number damn small print that is close to gather. However it still wouldn't be a majority it is still a plurality. However in the link it say that 53% say its good thing for America on the second page.


    From the moral, aspect of the thing it seem its most of the liberal ideas are wining however Abortion is a potentiality issue for a lot of people.





    Basically it seems that abortion is namely a real divided issues between Americans. However the law is not on the pro life side, since woman have a right to privacy.
    And a baby has a right to life. Abortion is murder.
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    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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