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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    False Logic, they will be burdens on society unless they integrate. Notice the lack of emphasis on such? They will be burdens because there are so many welfare and social programs aimed at "helping them".
    Solution; Kill all entitlement programs and let the states decide
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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    If my history serves correctly, I remember reading that Pancho Villa rode across with his Division Del Norte in 1916 and shot up the town of Columbus, New Mexico; this is not much different. The people of Arizona are hard-working hispanics, caucasions, African-Americans and Asians (and native-born Indians) who have melded together in a great melting pot of rugged American diversity. Regardless of how the political winds blow ... those people will protect themselves and their property.
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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Yet removing most of criminal underworld will save tax dollars and lower violence.
    The way to accomplish this is to enforce the criminal laws against hiring and housing Invaders. Most people won't risk going to jail and impoverishment to hire invaders once sensible laws are enforced.

    Crackdowns on illegals may help somewhat, but a loosening on immigration restrictions is paramount.
    Nope, that's backward.

    Cracking down on invaders and the criminals who hire and house them is paramount. Without jobs, the Invaders will for the most part self-deport.

    No, it shows the results of our immigration restrictions. These people can afford a coyote, but they probably can't afford the regular process.
    Besides the point. Dry up the employment market and they have no reason to hire human smugglers to get them in here.

    Uncle Sam giving poor people like them a visa is unlikely.
    That's because our public schools turn out unskilled laborers by the millions, right here in America. Ain't no reason to give visas to more when there's already a glut on the market.

    And that means too bad for them.

    Really.

    Seriously.

    They're not America's problem. We don't want them and they need to go home.


    Do they simply shrug and continue living in poverty? No, they sneak in.
    And, if we were doing the sensible thing and putting people who hire invaders in jail, would they still be sneaking in?

    I don't think so.

    This has nothing to do with feeling sorry for them, simply understanding the power of incentives,
    Yes, people who oppose the Invasion understand the power of incentives awfully well.

    No jobs = no incentives = no invasion.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I know that. Whether you or anyone else wants them is irrelevant to them. They want to come, and they will. By making it easier to come in legally, at least they have a chance of rising up instead of being a burden on taxpayers.
    Oh, well there's an easy way to stop them from becoming a burden on taxpayers.

    Make people present proof of lawful citizenship before recieving public services, as a temporary measure until those services can be eliminated, since most of them shouldn't exist in the first place.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know, but the number would be non-zero. People try to thwart the law all the time in all sorts of circumstances even given the possible consequences if caught. I mean if people really universally thought of the consequences first and that acted as a deterrent, we wouldn't have crime.
    The number doesn't have to be zero.

    Naturally there's always going to be some porosity at the border and in the labor market.

    The goal is the creation of a filtration system that captures the turds, the toilet paper, the toy soldier little Johnny flushed, the bacteria and most of the viruses so the pool can once again be considered fit for human use. There's going to be the stray virus, the occasional ameoba that gets through, but as it stands right now, the nation is drinking pure sewage and the nation's immune system, the Border Patrol and the ICE cannot fight the magnitude of the infection.

    When sane policies, such as the impoverishment of employers caught knowingly hiring illegals, are in place and the invaders who don't wish to go to jail self-deport, the remainder will be the real criminal aliens law enforcement is best equipped to catch and prosecute.

    I certainl support the idea that the funds collected from the impoverishment of the employers of illegal should be made available to give invaders who voluntarily turn themselves in a no-charge ride to the border or their nation of origin, after they're finger printed, DNA'd, photographed, and informed that re-entry illegally is a felony (which it isn't right now, but should be).

    National sovereignity is not something that should be thrown away for temporary political expediency.

    The Democrats and Republicans who have allowed this invasion to proceed unabated for nearly three decades have allowed the importation of a potential hosile army inside our borders commingled with citizens, and in the event that this army is activated, it's not going to matter to the political leaders south of the border who commands them what our fifty column politicians did to help them.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    And the biggest barrier to integration is keeping them poor by making it too difficult to immigrate. Of course we should have some screening before we let them in, but the current system is a complete mess.
    We have ZERO need for imported unskilled labor.

    Nada, to speak the language of the Invader.

    Don't give us any guff about there being jobs "Americans won't do", it doesn't wash. There's merely jobs employers don't want to pay someone enough for them to want to do it.
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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Human trafficking, and especially the trafficking of women and children, is an international problem, not just in the U.S. I think focusing on the illegal immigration situation in just the U.S. is only downplaying the seriousness of the global human trade. People are often lured with false promises to come overseas, and once they arrive they're trapped. Slavery and indentured servitude are still alive and kicking, even in the U.S. and Canada, it's just not something people want to know or talk about. The fact that it's sex slavery and not industrial-strength slavery like the old day should not really ease our minds about this.

    People forget that the western nations are wealthy, which means the sickos with a lot of money and time on their hands can pay any sum to have people moved from country to country. You'd be surprised what levels of society are involved. It's not just the low life pimps of the streets. There's also an upper crust at work, especially when it comes to child trafficking.

    Even if the border has a wall, it's not going to stop the root of the trafficking practice. These low lives have centuries worth of experience in moving humans from one place to another under the radar. They are always adapting and their greatest weapon is our systemic ignorance of the problem.
    What this means is that mowing the lawn can never be finished becuase the grass grows as it's being cut.

    It also means that height of the grass can only be lowered if the lawn mower is used, and that means it has to start somewhere and keep going.

    Doing nothing isn't a valid option, but right now it's the option we're being forced to take.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    We have ZERO need for imported unskilled labor.

    Nada, to speak the language of the Invader.

    Don't give us any guff about there being jobs "Americans won't do", it doesn't wash. There's merely jobs employers don't want to pay someone enough for them to want to do it.
    I always get a little nauseated when I see lines like that...especially when spoken by Hilary Clinton of all people. I remember throwin bales of hay for a nickel a bale. Kids used to work the orchards for extra spending money. I know an awful lot of people that worked two and three jobs to provide for their families and yes...some of those jobs were unskilled jobs that came with a paycheck. If you are out of work and you arent willing to do those other jobs...I have just a few words for you...

    On the one hand I am very sympathetic to the plight of the illegals. Truth be told...if my family was living in that ****hole that is mexico...Id be here in a heartbeat. But there is still the rule of law and there are other key economic factors that go into our legal immigration laws. And if you dont follow them...we have greater problems.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think that he's saying that they would then be a greater net positive and less negative drain on the system. I'm just not sure how we'd, for instance, refuse to treat them at hospital emergency rooms. Or, refuse to enroll their kids in school. I can't see that happening, which means that working harder to cut off the incentive to come here is the only real option.
    Treat them in the hospital and have the triage nurse call ICE in the meantime.

    Since the kid's parents are here illegally, there shouldn't be any reason parents of illegals attepting to put their kid in a public school shouldn't be checked, arrested and deported

    I see ALL KINDS of cost savings and deterrent possiblities here.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    On the one hand I am very sympathetic to the plight of the illegals. Truth be told...if my family was living in that ****hole that is mexico...Id be here in a heartbeat. But there is still the rule of law and there are other key economic factors that go into our legal immigration laws. And if you dont follow them...we have greater problems.

    Aye.

    But we have to face the reality. The Life Boat US of A is full, and it was never large enough to take and support the entire national population of Mexico, anyway.

    American teenagers can't find summer jobs and part-time jobs for school because invaders have flooded the job market.

    American adults are facing a 9.5% OFFICIAL unemployment rate that's more likely 15% or more unofficially, and yet there's illegals in this country working.

    That's just flat out wrong. Something needs to be done to send those people home. If their home is having difficulties, they need to go home and fix those problems. If that means they need to have an armed revolution in Mexico to topple the corrupt power structure that's wrecked their nation's economy, then that's what they need to do.

    I have a lot of respect for Mexicans. They're hard working family people who could be an asset to Mexico if they weren't busy breaking the law here.

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