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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Of course making it easier to belong fixes these problems Korimyr. I don't get your appeals to the law. I have no problem with cracking down on illegals. There isn't really much if any disagreement here. I simply propose making the laws easier to follow.
    I am not appealing to the law, which currently opposes my position. I am appealing to the notion that Americans are one people and Mexicans are another, and merely moving one's residence is not sufficient for one to become the other. The process does not exist to make it harder for Mexicans to become Americans, it exists to ensure that people have become Americans before we recognize them as such.

    For their part, Mexicans recognize this principle when it comes to their own nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    However, by keeping our restrictions on legal immigration, you're keeping them out.
    Yes, I am, because there are limits on the number of immigrants we can absorb and still retain our own cultural identity. Our laws should be constructed such that we only accept the number of immigrants that our society can handle.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Mexico is on the verge of major upheaval, and the government has in many regards been co-opted by the narcotrafficantes. Trust me, they will still want to come. IT is much safer in the U.S. right now. And, think about El Salvador...
    Depends on which part of Mexico.
    Most of the rest of the country, except for the border areas is all good, relatively speaking.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Please excuse me while I go puke. Bringing economic progress to a halt? When did this become a commendable goal?
    Zero population growth, not zero economic growth.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Depends on which part of Mexico.
    Most of the rest of the country, except for the border areas is all good, relatively speaking.

    We could do ourselves a giant favor and legalize marijuana from cultivation to consumption.
    That's a whole nother thread, isn't it?

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Zero population growth, not zero economic growth.
    Still just as bad. More people, more division of labor, more production. It's not like we're anywhere close to our capacity to produce food.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Still just as bad. More people, more division of labor, more production. It's not like we're anywhere close to our capacity to produce food.
    Dude...how many people do you think that our country can sustain before we lose the best, wild beautiful parts of it? It's not just about being able to feed everyone. It's about keeping some of what we have for our kids, and their kids, and their kids's kids to enjoy. I am not a fan of "bigger is better." Often, it isn't.

    You live in Los Angeles. Guess what? MOst of us don't want to drive on ten lane highways with people on top of people on top of people and a dingy brown skyline.

    You could not pay me enough to live in Los Angeles.
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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I am not appealing to the law, which currently opposes my position. I am appealing to the notion that Americans are one people and Mexicans are another, and merely moving one's residence is not sufficient for one to become the other.
    And neither am I.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    The process does not exist to make it harder for Mexicans to become Americans, it exists to ensure that people have become Americans before we recognize them as such.
    That's what it does. Of course this ignores the arbitrariness of who is and isn't an "American"

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    For their part, Mexicans recognize this principle when it comes to their own nation.
    Mexico's immigration policies are irrelevant

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Yes, I am, because there are limits on the number of immigrants we can absorb and still retain our own cultural identity. Our laws should be constructed such that we only accept the number of immigrants that our society can handle.
    Our society has been flooded with immigrants for centuries. What makes this group different?
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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Dude...how many people do you think that our country can sustain before we lose the best, wild beautiful parts of it? It's not just about being able to feed everyone. It's about keeping some of what we have for our kids, and their kids, and their kids's kids to enjoy. I am not a fan of "bigger is better." Often, it isn't.

    You live in Los Angeles. Guess what? MOst of us don't want to drive on ten lane highways with people on top of people on top of people and a dingy brown skyline.

    You could not pay me enough to live in Los Angeles.
    Look at Japan's experience with declining birth rates. SS and Medicare aren't paying for themselves.
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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Re: Jan Brewer's comments, negatively generalizing across an entire group of people on the basis of race/ethnicity IS racism.
    Its not racism.
    Just saying it IS racism isn't going to cut it.

    You have to actually prove it.

    The way I view it, she wants to keep people focused on the reasons why this legislation is so important. Its for their safety. So equating the illegal immigrants coming from Arizona's border to drug deals (since there is a significant problem with that) helps her keep support for her measures.

    A little dishonest? Sure. What politician doesn't play word games and mind tricks to gain support?

    Racist? You are going to have to do a lot more to convince me.
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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Re: Jan Brewer's comments, negatively generalizing across an entire group of people on the basis of race/ethnicity IS racism.

    p.s. I don't need you to "school" me on this stuff, Mike. I'm probably better informed on what the narcotrafficantes are up to than you are.
    I don't need you "schooling me either" You played the race statement. I say BS. So please provide some fact that the Gov made a racist remark or drop it and move on.

    I don't know that you are better informed. I worked in a federal agency and close with its LE for years in the SW. Many of the so called drug routes are through public land. So lets stop the insults and agree to disagree, but hey I must be a racist because I agree witht he Gov.
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