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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    So, you think that by providing illegal immigrants with benefits we will make them more desireable?
    I'm arguing the opposite.

    Making it inaccessable will cut off those who come here just for benefits of the system and it will keep those who want to work and start a family.
    Basically keep those who want to be American.
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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm arguing the opposite.

    Making it inaccessable will cut off those who come here just for benefits of the system and it will keep those who want to work and start a family.
    Basically keep those who want to be American.
    I am in agreement then.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    In a perfect world, sure, but illegals obtaining free medical care via emergency rooms is bankrupting a lot of healthcare systems in the southwest. How are you going to fix that?

    And, are you going to deny illegal children access to school?

    Those are both major, expensive benefits that are currently huge issues in Arizona (and elsewhere).

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    In a perfect world, sure, but illegals obtaining free medical care via emergency rooms is bankrupting a lot of healthcare systems in the southwest. How are you going to fix that?

    And, are you going to deny illegal children access to school?
    First off, I would allow them to immigrate legally but they would not be allowed subsidized access to these things.
    I would make sure it was widely noted when they entered that, you cannot have things at the expense of other naturalized citizens.

    That should filter those who want to be here to work and become a part of the people.
    Only later should it be allowed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Those are both major, expensive benefits that are currently huge issues in Arizona (and elsewhere).
    The benefits will eventually be realized.
    I am for open immigration with restricted access to social services, including education.
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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    First off, I would allow them to immigrate legally but they would not be allowed subsidized access to these things.
    I would make sure it was widely noted when they entered that, you cannot have things at the expense of other naturalized citizens.

    That should filter those who want to be here to work and become a part of the people.
    Only later should it be allowed.



    The benefits will eventually be realized.
    I am for open immigration with restricted access to social services, including education.
    I have to agree with Catz on this point, even with an open immigration system I cannot see how you remedy the issues she brought up.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I have to agree with Catz on this point, even with an open immigration system I cannot see how you remedy the issues she brought up.
    Don't allow free emergency room visits for new immigrants.
    I'm sorry but it sucks, there is a cost to open immigration and it has to be paid by the new immigrants.
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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Don't allow free emergency room visits for new immigrants.
    I'm sorry but it sucks, there is a cost to open immigration and it has to be paid by the new immigrants.
    Doctors take an oath, how do you get around this? And, I should add that we have American citizens who abuse the ER and are draining the system as well.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Doctors take an oath, how do you get around this?
    A lot of doctors don't follow this oath anymore.
    It's mostly fluff.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    And, I should add that we have American citizens who abuse the ER and are draining the system as well.
    They should be forced to pay like everyone else.
    Make medical bills non bankrupt able with reasonable payment plans.
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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    How do you ask someone who's been stabbed through the lung to provide proof of legal residency before providing medical care? It's not like your average stabbing victim carries his birth certificate in his pocket.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    They cannot acquire these things because they are somewhere they do not belong and somewhere that they have no right to be. These things are privileges that belong to the rightful inhabitants of this country.
    Of course making it easier to belong fixes these problems Korimyr. I don't get your appeals to the law. I have no problem with cracking down on illegals. There isn't really much if any disagreement here. I simply propose making the laws easier to follow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    The previous wave of huddled masses expected their children to join mainstream American society. The children of immigrants who follow this pattern are fully capable of receiving good educations and good employment opportunities and are statistically more successful than the children of natural born citizens. I have no complaint against immigrants who come to this country understanding that success in America depends upon adaptation to American cultural values.
    They were able to immigrate, because they didn't have to wait years for a small chance at a work visa. You want them to integrate, and so do I. However, by keeping our restrictions on legal immigration, you're keeping them out.
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