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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

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    I know that. Whether you or anyone else wants them is irrelevant to them. They want to come, and they will. By making it easier to come in legally, at least they have a chance of rising up instead of being a burden on taxpayers.
    Like they aren't a burden on Tax payers now?.....or we could fine the hell out of the employers of illegal aliens.

    Hmmmm...... let me think.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

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    Top 10 reasons immigration visas are denied.



    Top 10 Reasons Why Immigrants Get Visas Denied « Guru Immigration Law Blog

    Works for me..... let's just open up the border for everyone. No Visas, no rules, come one come all.

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    I don't think open boarders was being promoted as a legitimate solution here. Sure, it's the pipe dream; not functional but would be great if it were. We can't have open boarders for many reasons and we need to regulate in some degree our immigration. Yet at the same accord as it relates to the OP, we shouldn't allow the abject dehumanization of immigrants, legal or illegal, or dismiss the abuse some of them suffer. Not so long ago some really rich couple from the East Coast got caught with essentially slaves. It's a big business. Contacts in other countries tell people of ways to get jobs in America. They bring them over, but don't give them any of their papers or sometimes don't submit them. The people pay these guys money, they bring them over, they get set up with some job. But are told that they can't leave the house and that the owners or these other dudes have their papers and because of it they can't go out without being arrested.

    They in essence create a slave class and people are foolish enough to believe it (mostly because rules and authority are well different here than other places, so they just don't know). I doubt that was an isolated incident. Things like sex slaves happen a lot in the UK under very similar circumstances. Yes, we need to control our boarders. And yes, we have a right to control our immigration to allow assimilation time. But we shouldn't forget the humanity of other people just because they may be illegal. Maybe we have to ship them back; but we shouldn't ignore them if they face abuse of this magnitude such as what is outlined in the OP.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think open boarders was being promoted as a legitimate solution here. Sure, it's the pipe dream; not functional but would be great if it were. We can't have open boarders for many reasons and we need to regulate in some degree our immigration. Yet at the same accord as it relates to the OP, we shouldn't allow the abject dehumanization of immigrants, legal or illegal, or dismiss the abuse some of them suffer. Not so long ago some really rich couple from the East Coast got caught with essentially slaves. It's a big business. Contacts in other countries tell people of ways to get jobs in America. They bring them over, but don't give them any of their papers or sometimes don't submit them. The people pay these guys money, they bring them over, they get set up with some job. But are told that they can't leave the house and that the owners or these other dudes have their papers and because of it they can't go out without being arrested.

    They in essence create a slave class and people are foolish enough to believe it (mostly because rules and authority are well different here than other places, so they just don't know). I doubt that was an isolated incident. Things like sex slaves happen a lot in the UK under very similar circumstances. Yes, we need to control our boarders. And yes, we have a right to control our immigration to allow assimilation time. But we shouldn't forget the humanity of other people just because they may be illegal. Maybe we have to ship them back; but we shouldn't ignore them if they face abuse of this magnitude such as what is outlined in the OP.
    Draconian penalties for employing Illegal Aliens would solve all of the problems then wouldn't they?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Draconian anything usually doesn't.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Draconian anything usually doesn't.
    I think if you fine any business or person that has Illegal Alien employees $10,000 per head and give the owner 1 month in jail per head on a first offence, the problem would solve it's self..... or do you think people would risk those penalties to hire an Illegal?

    If you think people would not hire Illegal Aliens with those penalties as law, do you think Illegal Aliens would still come to this country with no work available?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I think if you fine any business or person that has Illegal Alien employees $10,000 per head and give the owner 1 month in jail per head on a first offence, the problem would solve it's self..... or do you think people would risk those penalties to hire an Illegal?
    It depends on our consumerism. If we reward companies who hire illegals through our consumption of their goods; they'll continue to try to thwart the law. If there's money to be made, someone will try making it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    If you think people would not hire Illegal Aliens with those penalties as law, do you think Illegal Aliens would still come to this country with no work available?
    If we completely stopped rewarding illegal labor, they would eventually stop coming over. It won't be a step potential mind you. But so long as they can get work, they'll continue to come over. And so long as we consume the products of their labor as voraciously as we do, there will be jobs for them here.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It depends on our consumerism. If we reward companies who hire illegals through our consumption of their goods; they'll continue to try to thwart the law. If there's money to be made, someone will try making it.



    If we completely stopped rewarding illegal labor, they would eventually stop coming over. It won't be a step potential mind you. But so long as they can get work, they'll continue to come over. And so long as we consume the products of their labor as voraciously as we do, there will be jobs for them here.
    I think you are wrong..... how many company owners would go to jail just to thwart the law? Think about it. Say for a second offence it was $20,000 per head and 2 months in jail per head. Next, $30,000 and 3. I think a smart business man/woman would take one look at the risk/reward equation and check their papers very carefully.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I think you are wrong..... how many company owners would go to jail just to thwart the law? Think about it. Say for a second offence it was $20,000 per head and 2 months in jail per head. Next, $30,000 and 3. I think a smart business man/woman would take one look at the risk/reward equation and check their papers very carefully.
    I don't know, but the number would be non-zero. People try to thwart the law all the time in all sorts of circumstances even given the possible consequences if caught. I mean if people really universally thought of the consequences first and that acted as a deterrent, we wouldn't have crime.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know, but the number would be non-zero. People try to thwart the law all the time in all sorts of circumstances even given the possible consequences if caught. I mean if people really universally thought of the consequences first and that acted as a deterrent, we wouldn't have crime.
    Very true..... but if it cut down the jobs available to Illegal Aliens by 90%, they wouldn't come here at all, and I think if it was enforced big time there wouldn't be any jobs for them within a month.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Very true..... but if it cut down the jobs available to Illegal Aliens by 90%, they wouldn't come here at all, and I think if it was enforced big time there wouldn't be any jobs for them within a month.
    So long as there is a chance, they'd come. There's a lot of advantages to illegally working in America if you can pull it off without getting caught.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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