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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm arguing the opposite.

    Making it inaccessable will cut off those who come here just for benefits of the system and it will keep those who want to work and start a family.
    Basically keep those who want to be American.
    What about those who are already Americans but who can't find work because they're being undercut by illegals that allow their employer to skirt the law and save money?

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    In a perfect world, sure, but illegals obtaining free medical care via emergency rooms is bankrupting a lot of healthcare systems in the southwest. How are you going to fix that?
    By requiring that the police be called for all persons who can't show proof of citizenship when applying for emergency medical care.

    And, are you going to deny illegal children access to school?
    Why not?


    What part of "illegal" is confusing you?

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    How do you ask someone who's been stabbed through the lung to provide proof of legal residency before providing medical care?
    They can't really fight back when you pull their wallet out of their pocket, can they?

    And if they can't provide any ID, then all the hospital has to do is phone the cops and let them deal with it. The patient can refuse service and die, of course.

    Considering that hospitals and doctors are required by law to report to the authorities all gunshot wounds and knifings, it's not a stretch to require them to report potential invader sitings, either.


    It's not like your average stabbing victim carries his birth certificate in his pocket.
    But most will have their driver's license, and almost all states require proof of citizenship before issuing the license.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Aye.

    But we have to face the reality. The Life Boat US of A is full, and it was never large enough to take and support the entire national population of Mexico, anyway.

    American teenagers can't find summer jobs and part-time jobs for school because invaders have flooded the job market.

    American adults are facing a 9.5% OFFICIAL unemployment rate that's more likely 15% or more unofficially, and yet there's illegals in this country working.

    That's just flat out wrong. Something needs to be done to send those people home. If their home is having difficulties, they need to go home and fix those problems. If that means they need to have an armed revolution in Mexico to topple the corrupt power structure that's wrecked their nation's economy, then that's what they need to do.

    I have a lot of respect for Mexicans. They're hard working family people who could be an asset to Mexico if they weren't busy breaking the law here.
    I agree. ANd there are just so many things wrong with the way things are...

    As bad as it is in mexico economically, how many of their potential doctors, educators and scientists are out there right now weeding lawns? How much of the money that should be feeding the US economy is being funneled into mexico, the DR, Cuba, Hait, etc? How many generations live in fear of being caught or expelled.

    And you are right...at some point we HAVE to fix ourselves if we are ever going to be able to help others.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    By requiring that the police be called for all persons who can't show proof of citizenship when applying for emergency medical care.

    Why not?
    What part of "illegal" is confusing you?
    I think you can accomplish a LOT of this fairly easily. 1-Penalize the hell out of anyone that knowingly hires an illegal immigrant. 2-Require that ONLY American citizens can get support from federal and or state agencies (if chirches want to continue to provide assistance...fine...). Let the kids register for school, but if the family is found to be here illegal they are all of them, kids included, deported.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Its not racism.
    Just saying it IS racism isn't going to cut it.
    Racism is an inappropriate generalization about an entire group of people on the basis of race/ethnicity. I didn't make the definition up, Caine. I'm just going by what the dictionary says. Sorry if that doesn't suit you.

    Ditto, Mike.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Racism is an inappropriate generalization about an entire group of people on the basis of race/ethnicity. I didn't make the definition up, Caine. I'm just going by what the dictionary says. Sorry if that doesn't suit you.

    Ditto, Mike.
    ". The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
    2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

    IMO, you stretched the definition of racism. As I said the Gov's statement was ill advisted. How stating that illegals carrying drugs is discrimination, predudice, etc. is racism is playing the race card. We just fail to communicate. IMO, the use of race as an excuse in Arizona is becoming like the "F" word. The more its used, the less impact it has.

    We definately need the Feds, State, and Local LE to get a handle on human smuggling into the US, kidnapping/holding illegals for more money and drug trafficing. IMO, it would be benifical if Obama would sponser a summitt of States to work on the illegal immigration, security and border violance issue. The results of the summitt could provide Congress and the Adminstration a blue print to develop new immigration laws. Without ground level participation, the issue will continue to be politics as usual.
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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    IMO, you stretched the definition of racism. As I said the Gov's statement was ill advisted. How stating that illegals carrying drugs is discrimination, predudice, etc. is racism is playing the race card. We just fail to communicate. IMO, the use of race as an excuse in Arizona is becoming like the "F" word. The more its used, the less impact it has.
    Listen, if Governor Brewer has stated that SOME illegal Mexicans were involved in drug distribution, I'd completely agree. But saying that ALL illegals are involved in drug trafficking is not only racist, it's simply inaccurate.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Racism is an inappropriate generalization about an entire group of people on the basis of race/ethnicity. I didn't make the definition up, Caine. I'm just going by what the dictionary says. Sorry if that doesn't suit you.

    Ditto, Mike.
    Just saying racism doesn't cut it.
    How is it racist?
    Did you invoke the race of the mexican/and or hispanic group as nothing but drug dealers? Or did she claim the illegals coming from the border were a bunch of drug dealers?

    Why no response to my reasoning behind why she said what she said?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Inside the Brutal World of America's Kidnapping Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Just saying racism doesn't cut it.
    How is it racist?
    Did you invoke the race of the mexican/and or hispanic group as nothing but drug dealers? Or did she claim the illegals coming from the border were a bunch of drug dealers?

    Why no response to my reasoning behind why she said what she said?
    I understand her reasoning. Nonetheless, she inappropriately and negatively generalized about an entire group of people, implying that they're all coming here to sell drugs. I don't even know why we're quibbling about this, you and I both know she's full of crap. A lot of Mexicans and central Americans come here because their own countries are ****holes and they want to take care of their kids. They're still violating our laws by doing so, though.

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