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Ground Zero mosque bad idea: Canadian Muslims

Perchance. But in that scenario, the Klan is wrong.
 
Crunch said:
Absolutely, and that won't buy one persons life back will it?
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Nope, but it will land some folk in jail. It's unfortunate that perhaps some people would be motivated to these ends. However, we can't allow that motivation to prevent us from exercising our rights. If we do, then we've merely bowed down before terrorism. In which case one could ask why one set of terrorists and not another?
 
Ikari said:
Nope, but it will land some folk in jail.
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Cold comfort for the dead.
It's unfortunate that perhaps some people would be motivated to these ends. However, we can't allow that motivation to prevent us from exercising our rights. If we do, then we've merely bowed down before terrorism. In which case one could ask why one set of terrorists and not another?
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My position is that the sponsors of the Mosque are either stupid, or want there to be an incident like a bombing or a shooting...... I really don't think they are stupid.
 
Crunch said:
My position is that the sponsors of the Mosque are either stupid, or want there to be an incident like a bombing or a shooting...... I really don't think they are stupid.
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I agree with those who think it's simply an in-your-face statement. Twenty years from now, that Mosque (or cultural center, or whatever it's called) will stand as testimony that we live by the rule of law.
 
MaggieD said:
I agree with those who think it's simply an in-your-face statement. Twenty years from now, that Mosque (or cultural center, or whatever it's called) will stand as testimony that we live by the rule of law.
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Or it will be a burned out hulk, or it will have a memorial for the 100's killed and Muslims will point at it as justification for their atrocities.... you pays your money and takes your chances.
 
Crunch said:
Cold comfort for the dead.
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Can't bring back the dead, but should death be a reason to fear freedom?

Crunch said:
My position is that the sponsors of the Mosque are either stupid, or want there to be an incident like a bombing or a shooting...... I really don't think they are stupid.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say they want it to be bombed. That's maybe a bit on the stupid side. Maybe they're trying to be "in our face", but I doubt they want killings to happen. But in the end, those killings are not on them. If let's say something horrible like that happens, they are not responsible for the one's who pull the trigger. And if we're so intolerant that we'd resort to terrorism against people exercising their rights; I think that speaks more of a sad commentary towards the protesters than it does against those wishing to build a place of worship.
 
in your face, on the one hand

trying to improve west-muslim relations, on the other

it all falls apart that simply

if one is sincere about improving one's relations with one's neighbors, he or she needs to listen to em

especially when they're starting to scream at you

they have a right to build their mosque, out of courtesy and respect they should move and will be forced to move

it's awful late, tho, they've really offended a lot of people

lots of folks never heard of cordoba and rauf before this

also, those seen in sympatico with this project will pay a political price at the polls

people are pretty worked up, they get a little more offended every day, and they have every right to form their views based on their own values, even if their priorities appear alien to you

obama certainly shouldn't have selected rauf to send around the world, tho

talk about in-your-face...
 
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Crunch said:
What bothers me the most about this is that the people who want to build the Mosque talk about tolerance and understanding, yet they must be aware of the up roar of the general population in the US. about the location they have chosen and continue to talk about tolerance and understanding….. While ignoring the bad feelings they are engendering.
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Really can you point out where Ive mentioned tolerance in any of my arguments? My arguements are based on private property and first amendment rights alone.
 
This project has been planned on this property since long before 9/11. It's not only a property rights issue, it's a tolerance issue. Our tolerance of all religions, not just our favorite ones.

Besides, this has nothing to do with "sensitivity" and everything to do with intolerance, since mosque protests are springing up all over the USA. A Sac Bee article from last Sunday listed nearly a dozen such protests in the past few weeks. People are trying to justify bigotry, in my opinion.

That's not what our nation is about.
 
DiAnna said:
This project has been planned on this property since long before 9/11. It's not only a property rights issue, it's a tolerance issue. Our tolerance of all religions, not just our favorite ones.

Besides, this has nothing to do with "sensitivity" and everything to do with intolerance, since mosque protests are springing up all over the USA. A Sac Bee article from last Sunday listed nearly a dozen such protests in the past few weeks. People are trying to justify bigotry, in my opinion.

That's not what our nation is about.
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Ironically, many of those who are protesting this actually share some of the same ideals as the terrorists over in the Middle East: The idea that religion should be part of our laws, that the government should recognize one religion as superior to others, and that it is acceptable for the government to ban or limit access to religions that they disagree with.
 
The Prof said:
way too blanket a statement, no?

i find it quite odd, with all due respect
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Yeah, well, I've seen it so many times on this forum I've lost count.

Given that Canadian and European politics tend to be more liberal than American politics, the disagreement doesn't surprise me -- it's the selective dismissal of outsider opinions that I think is two-faced.
 
Coronado said:
Whoop-de-sh*t. There's plenty of folks on the left who dismiss opinions of Americans because we're supposedly not as erudite and cultured as Europeans, except when those opinions happen to coincide with their own.
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I haven't seen that happen on this forum. Activity on this forum is what I was commenting on.
 
MaggieD said:
Why didn't this story make mainstream media in the U.S.? It should be on the front page of the NY Times. I've been waiting for other Muslims to speak out against building that mosque. Surely this is a worthy story. Why hasn't it been covered here?
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There was another thread posted here that I saw before that has a video interview. Looks like it made Fox News. Here's the video link: Eyeblast.tv. It's worth the watch, the board member has some pretty good points.
 
Groucho said:
Ironically, many of those who are protesting this actually share some of the same ideals as the terrorists over in the Middle East: The idea that religion should be part of our laws, that the government should recognize one religion as superior to others, and that it is acceptable for the government to ban or limit access to religions that they disagree with.
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Hmmm. I suppose that those who protested Catholic Churches think that all Catholics were supporters of the IRA? I dunno. I do know this is getting out of hand with people calling for the govenrment to confiscate the land.

What is so amusing is that they are often the same people who say Muslims attacked us for our freedoms...so let's deny them freedoms? Oh wait. I'm lost.
 
Groucho said:
So what if it is a bad idea?

Just because something is a bad idea doesn't mean it's illegal.

You know, this whole controversy is exactly what the Taliban wants. Now they can point at us and say "See? We told you they hate us." Great recruiting tool; hey thanks for helping our enemies out here.
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That's precisely what people don't get. Newt Gingrich's statements about the mosque are perfect fodder for terrorist recruitment.

All we need to do is continue to disprove to the world that we're a nation of freedom of religion. Let's just advertise that we support freedom of religion except Islam. I'm sure that will stop the terrorists.
 
Groucho said:
Ironically, many of those who are protesting this actually share some of the same ideals as the terrorists over in the Middle East: The idea that religion should be part of our laws, that the government should recognize one religion as superior to others, and that it is acceptable for the government to ban or limit access to religions that they disagree with.
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We're not protesting the state for allowing this to happen we're protesting this organization for doing it, that is what protest is all about. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be allowed to build it I'm saying they shouldn't build it, see the difference?
 
Agent Ferris said:
Again prove it, this is an out and out lie, the property wasn't purchsed until 2006 and the plan to build the mosque wasn't announced until 2009.
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Do you have a source for that? Mine is someone on CNN, perhaps Wolf Blitzer, who said that the property had been obtained and the center had been planned before 2001. That's what I was going on. The discussion being bantied about made it seem as if that was common knowledge.

Not that it would change my opinion. The property is now legally owned, the Muslim Cultural Center is in compliance with all applicable laws and ordinances, ant there's no legal reason why it shouldn't be built... other than anti-Muslim sentiment, which has no place in a nation based on a foundation of religious freedom and religious tolerance.
 
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