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    Re: Ground Zero mosque bad idea: Canadian Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm just curious why this has anything to do with conservatism. I do consider myself to be Conservative....but how does that apply to this issue? I don't get the connection. Are you saying that Liberals are neutral about the Mosque and only Conservatives express sensitivity about it? Link?? Hahahaha!! ;-)
    No, I'm saying that conservatives typically discard the opinions of others who come from nations with more liberal politics on the basis that they don't know how things work in America . . . except now, when they say what the conservatives want them to. Suddenly we're supposed to care.
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    Re: Ground Zero mosque bad idea: Canadian Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I think what this article is illustrating is the fact that Muslims in the West fear another round of social persecution from those who will be upset by the new mosque. More than being concerned with offending New Yorkers, I would wager the real opposition in the Islamic faith comes from those who fear the building of the mosque will lead to an increasing of hostility towards Islam in the US as a whole.
    At least one moderate Muslim (saw her on O'Reilly) thinks it's a bad idea and insensitive to New Yorkers. I'm sure there are more and hope they come forward. I still imagine the left will side with the ones who want to build it no matter how many people come out against it.

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    Re: Ground Zero mosque bad idea: Canadian Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, I'm saying that conservatives typically discard the opinions of others who come from nations with more liberal politics on the basis that they don't know how things work in America . . . except now, when they say what the conservatives want them to. Suddenly we're supposed to care.
    Oh, I see. Link for that? ;-) ;-) I think UHC is a perfect example of that, actually. When it suits "the opposition" -- be it conservative OR liberal, we'll cite their take on it. Good point.
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    Re: Ground Zero mosque bad idea: Canadian Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    At least one moderate Muslim (saw her on O'Reilly) thinks it's a bad idea and insensitive to New Yorkers. I'm sure there are more and hope they come forward. I still imagine the left will side with the ones who want to build it no matter how many people come out against it.
    What do you mean by "be on their side"? If you mean that they will say they are well within their rights to build it; then perhaps. And that's a true statement; they are well within their rights to build it. There's nothing we can really do about it. I mean, people may not like it being built but can still support their right to build it.
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    Re: Ground Zero mosque bad idea: Canadian Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, I see. Link for that? ;-) ;-)
    Look around the forum. It's happened only about a billion times.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think UHC is a perfect example of that, actually. When it suits "the opposition" -- be it conservative OR liberal, we'll cite their take on it. Good point.
    It's not the citing of their take I'm taking issue with. It's when people dismiss the opinions of foreigners on the basis of ignorance (you're not from here, how could you know), only to welcome them welcome them with open arms if and only if they agree with them on the issue of the day.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Ground Zero mosque bad idea: Canadian Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Look around the forum. It's happened only about a billion times. It's not the citing of their take I'm taking issue with. It's when people dismiss the opinions of foreigners on the basis of ignorance (you're not from here, how could you know), only to welcome them welcome them with open arms if and only if they agree with them on the issue of the day.
    I'm not sure that's a liberal/conservative thing. That's human nature.
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    Re: Ground Zero mosque bad idea: Canadian Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    At least one moderate Muslim (saw her on O'Reilly) thinks it's a bad idea and insensitive to New Yorkers. I'm sure there are more and hope they come forward. I still imagine the left will side with the ones who want to build it no matter how many people come out against it.
    I do not think it is supporting the idea of the mosque, nor the intent of the people who wish to build it. But rather many support it because in this country they hold a constitutional right to build it there once they obtain the permits and such. It is supporting the principle that regardless of which creed, religion, or ethnicity one belongs to, the rights guaranteed by the Constitution must be upheld for all citizens.

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    Re: Ground Zero mosque bad idea: Canadian Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    how does one advance relations by being insensitive?

    we know how obama answers that---those who don't see things his way need to be drug tested

    so the president hears the angst of the overwhelming majority of americans and new yorkers, including half of big apple's dems

    and he responds by picking mr rauf as his state dept's emissary to muslim donors abroad
    I wish we could blame Obama for this, but while researching Rauf I found somewhere that he was being used by Bush for Muslim outreach before Obama.

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    Re: Ground Zero mosque bad idea: Canadian Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What do you mean by "be on their side"? If you mean that they will say they are well within their rights to build it; then perhaps. And that's a true statement; they are well within their rights to build it. There's nothing we can really do about it. I mean, people may not like it being built but can still support their right to build it.
    And the 54% of the American public is within their right to protest, hold banners, and stage other forms of protest for the duration of the Mosque's life. If the people that want to build this Mosque are sincere about their desire for more sensitivity and understanding between Christians and Muslims they are going about it in exactly the wrong way.... so they are either stupid, or being disingenuous about their goals.
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    Re: Ground Zero mosque bad idea: Canadian Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not sure that's a liberal/conservative thing. That's human nature.
    My experience here is that the conservatives are the ones that dismiss foreigners except when they agree with them.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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