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Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

Guy Incognito said:
I apologize if I mischaracterized your argument. If I was mistaken about the implications of your "made me want to puke" line, then you'll have to enlighten me as to what else it possible could have meant. I must have missed the part where you said, "it made me want to puke, but I respect their right to worship as they please."
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You were wrong bro.

One should not need to qualify their statement with a disclaimer like the one you are suggesting he should have added.

One should not assume because one says that hearing "ALLLLAAAAAAAAaaaaaAaAaAAAAAAAAAAAH akhbar!" made them want to puke that they don't agree that the persons listening to such don't have the right to practice as they choose.

Thou art wrong.
 
Guy Incognito said:
I apologize if I mischaracterized your argument. If I was mistaken about the implications of your "made me want to puke" line, then you'll have to enlighten me as to what else it possible could have meant. I must have missed the part where you said, "it made me want to puke, but I respect their right to worship as they please."
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Oh baby...a LOT of people make me want to puke. Doesnt mean I go around grabbing them by the throat or stomping their nards...now does it?

I have spent 4 years working with...living with...fighting alongside and bleeding with muslims. I highly doubt you will EVER find ANYTHING posted here where I disresepct muslims in general. point of fact I usually defend muslims as a group. And its not because I have this fairy tale fantasy of what 'real' muslims are like. Ive got a bit of experience in multiple muslim nations. That doesnt change the VERY REAL FACT that in many of those muslim nations, when those prayer calls go out several times a day, often they arent expressing their love for freedom and tolerence. As much as abi smiles at you while you are smoking and drinking tea with them doesnt mean that SOME of them dont sneer derisively at you as you walk away, nor does it mean that when the whip comes down and it is a pick a side situation they are going to pick your side either. Im a realist.
 
j-mac said:
Great! I propose a Roast pulled Pork joint on the other side....You know, for the munchies.


j-mac
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Already had that idea. From a thread a few days ago:

Zyphlin said:
My god yes. If I had the money or an investor that would go in on it I would TOTALLY start a BBQ place whose servers are skimply clad females preferably of middle eastern descent called "Uncle Mo's Bombin BBQ!" with a big americanized version of Muhammed smiling while holding a pig in an embrace as the logo. Think this, but with Muhammed instead of a big scruffy southern guy:

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Then again, I can be a tactless douche who feels like the best way to react to tactless douches is to give them their own medicine back at them.

That and I'd bet dollars to donuts it'd make some great scratch.
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Guy Incognito said:
I apologize if I mischaracterized your argument. If I was mistaken about the implications of your "made me want to puke" line, then you'll have to enlighten me as to what else it possible could have meant. I must have missed the part where you said, "it made me want to puke, but I respect their right to worship as they please."
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I see you went to the Gibbs school of "How to NOT apologize for your own stupid actions and make it seem like the other guy is still at fault"
 
There is a difference between long standing zoning laws that have been evenly applied throughout a city and retroactively attempting to institute a new zoning law or statute after the fact that targets and discriminates against a specific religion.
 
Zyphlin said:
There is a difference between long standing zoning laws that have been evenly applied throughout a city and retroactively attempting to institute a new zoning law or statute after the fact that targets and discriminates against a specific religion.
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It warms my heart to see so many liberals coming out in support of and embracing religion.

Well..not...ALL...religion...
 
Hatuey said:
Good luck getting a permit to build a strip club next to a house of worship in Manhattan.
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Where did it say the bar would be a strip club too?
 
Mason66 said:
Where did it say the bar would be a strip club too?
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It is interesting that where Muslims are concerned suddenly liberals are PRO religion and anti gay rights. Can you IMAGINE the outrage if the catholics wanted to build a church there or the mormons a temple or the baptists a parrish house and it conflicted with the free enterprise of having a gay club there. No...scratch that...can you imagine just the outrage at any traditional American religion announcing plans to build a massive church on that site...

Oh...no...Im sure there would be tolerance and acceptance...what am I thinking...
 
VanceMack said:
It is interesting that where Muslims are concerned suddenly liberals are PRO religion and anti gay rights.
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Not having scanned all 19 pages, are there libs on this thread that are embracing such a philosophy? Or are you just spouting the same old anti-liberal rhetoric we've heard a zillion times by entrenched conservatives upset at the opposing view?

Speaking as an atheist liberal, I find his idea fantastic! Of course, I find all religion silly to begin with, so might as well build a temple to Zeus in there as well - just to keep all mythologies equally represented.
 
Ockham said:
That record only repeats and skips in Hatuey-land.
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Even though you do no tknow the difference, I do see a problem with the zoning.

Generally speaking a place of worship would have alots of kids hanging around and that is why a zoning commission would not allow a gay bar next to it.

I can't really take anything seriously from Gutfeld, as he has never said anything seriously in his carreer up to this point but I would be interested to see what happens from here.
 
Guy Incognito said:
But nobody is denying him the space. Let him get the proper permits and the investors willing to put their money into this just to make a statement, and I don't think anybody is going to oppose him. But that's just it, he isn't serious, so this whole argument is academic.
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How do you know he isn't serious?
 
Singularity said:
Not having scanned all 19 pages, are there libs on this thread that are embracing such a philosophy? Or are you just spouting the same old anti-liberal rhetoric we've heard a zillion times by entrenched conservatives upset at the opposing view?

Speaking as an atheist liberal, I find his idea fantastic! Of course, I find all religion silly to begin with, so might as well build a temple to Zeus in there as well - just to keep all mythologies equally represented.
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If Ive told you once ive told you a zillion times...dont exaggerate!

Not having scanned through it I can say whatever I want and you are at my mercy! Mua ha ha...

but yes...generally those of the liberal bent are quick to defend the placement of this mosque at the site of the twin towers. In this thread and others.
 
Mason66 said:
Even though you do no tknow the difference, I do see a problem with the zoning.

Generally speaking a place of worship would have alots of kids hanging around and that is why a zoning commission would not allow a gay bar next to it.

I can't really take anything seriously from Gutfeld, as he has never said anything seriously in his carreer up to this point but I would be interested to see what happens from here.
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How about just a gay dance club...no alcohol?
 
Mason66 said:
I can't really take anything seriously from Gutfeld, as he has never said anything seriously in his carreer up to this point but I would be interested to see what happens from here.
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But...Gutfeld phone, the Cordoba Iniative with his plans. Their response was something along the lines of "While you are free to build whatever you want, until you consider the sensibilities of Muslims, you will never build dialogue."

Why is that?
 
VanceMack said:
If Ive told you once ive told you a zillion times...dont exaggerate!

Not having scanned through it I can say whatever I want and you are at my mercy! Mua ha ha...

but yes...generally those of the liberal bent are quick to defend the placement of this mosque at the site of the twin towers. In this thread and others.
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Well, in that case it would be a simple matter for you to highlight in this very thread where such a thing occurred. I'd certainly love to read it, which is why I am asking. Or are you going to go with the "make an outlandish hyperpartisan statement, and when asked about it's validity, make the 'OMG DO YER OWN HOMEWORK' comment"-type answer?

And sure, you can certainly say whatever you want. But me being at your mercy? You'll have to do better than a few baseless comments in order for that to happen, my friend. But stranger things have happened! <3
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
I AM a centrist, Tex.
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Catz if you are a centrist I'm Whoopie Goldberg

Feel free to ask my opinion on any issue. Just because I have a few liberal beliefs doesn't mean that the sum total of my beliefs are liberal. Most of my views are conservative.
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A few?! How many posts do I have to present? I'm already up to 7 far left postings from you. Everything from a pure hatred of Sarah Palin to personal attacks on her daughter to a disdain of capitalism. Exactly how many more postings do I have to provide before you admit your political allegiance?

How about some more?

I'm saying that many Christians believe that laws in the U.S. should be based upon Old Testament laws. That's why so many of them are such big fans of having the Ten Commandments posted in local courthouses. They believe that God's laws supercede those of mankind.

Let's be straight. I think that Jan Brewer is a total racist.
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Exactly how many more times do you have to be exposed before you admit you are a liberal? And a far left one at that.

I'm not sure this is a commercial area. I was under the impression that it was residential, in which case, a bar might not be allowed, based upon existing zoning laws. Do you have evidence that this is a commercial area where other bars exist? If you're going to make this claim, you should prove it.
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I did. You simply once again did not read carefully.

The quote:

I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.”

I'll accept your apology at any time.

The fact that it took you until page 7 to figure out what I was saying is just sad.

My first post made my position clear: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-open-gay-bar-next-mosque.html#post1058912634
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Actually you didn't. And here is why. Pages later to me you said this:

By the way, your reasoning in this thread is pathetic.
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If you agree with me, how can my reasoning be pathetic? Explain yourself.
 
Singularity said:
Well, in that case it would be a simple matter for you to highlight in this very thread where such a thing occurred. I'd certainly love to read it, which is why I am asking. Or are you going to go with the "make an outlandish hyperpartisan statement, and when asked about it's validity, make the 'OMG DO YER OWN HOMEWORK' comment"-type answer?

And sure, you can certainly say whatever you want. But me being at your mercy? You'll have to do better than a few baseless comments in order for that to happen, my friend. But stranger things have happened! <3
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Yep...precisely...you cant be bothered to read it then dont. And by all means disagree with my comments.

And GOOD GOD I was JOKING...seriously???
 
texmaster said:
Catz if you are a centrist I'm Whoopie Goldberg
A few?! How many posts do I have to present? I'm already up to 7 far left postings from you. Everything from a pure hatred of Sarah Palin to personal attacks on her daughter to a disdain of capitalism. Exactly how many more postings do I have to provide before you admit your political allegiance?
How about some more?

Exactly how many more times do you have to be exposed before you admit you are a liberal? And a far left one at that.
I did. You simply once again did not read carefully.
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She could be a left leaning centrist...right? errr...I mean...correct?
 
VanceMack said:
Yep...precisely...you cant be bothered to read it then dont. And by all means disagree with my comments.

And GOOD GOD I was JOKING...seriously???
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See the "<3" on the end of my sentence? That means I <3 you, which I would not have done in an uber serious debate with an opposing view. I added it there to show light-heartedness.

Now you are at MY mercy! =)
 
Singularity said:
See the "<3" on the end of my sentence? That means I <3 you, which I would not have done in an uber serious debate with an opposing view. I added it there to show light-heartedness.

Now you are at MY mercy! =)
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Touche! Well played sir! ;)
 
texmaster said:
Explain the moral difference between the two. How can one be morally enforced and the other not be?
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Jesus, pun intended, what moral difference are you talking about? Unlike you I don't dwell in the world of what is 'moral' or 'immoral' when making decisions. I go with what is 'within the laws and regulations' and what is 'outside the laws and regulations'. The reality and argument which has been made is that it would be incredibly hard to operate a gay bar next door to a house of worship because of the zoning regulations in most municipalities. It has nothing to do with morality. It has to do with what is in the law books regulating where buildings can and can't be built. Understand that simple fact?

Now if you weren't so obnoxiously anti-Muslim, you'd realize that the argument being made has as much to do with it 'being a free country' as it has with whatever other stupid strawman you made up to get your jolies up. If the FOX News commentator has the resources allowing him to place a gay bar next to a house of worship? All the more power to him. If he can get required approval for such a project? Go for it. However what has been stated is that it won't be anywhere near an easy task for him.

Wait, let me guess what your argument is 'free country' right?
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Funny :rofl

Come now though.

They don't have to be disrespectful of eachother.

IMHO Both have rights to build there. If they're intolerant of eachother being next door neighbours. They can both go **** themselves as far as I'm concerned.

Especially if the Mosque planners protest the gay bar being built. I'm not sticking my necks out for them on Freedom of Religion grounds if they can't respect private property rights ;)
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**** that tolerance of intolerance bull****. They have a right to build there, nobody said their shrine to oppression and their oppressive ideology have to be respected.
 
Hatuey said:
Add to that: hospitals, old folks homes, day cares etc.

His strawman is that when people argued that these people had every right to build a mosque near 9/11, it was an argument based on the U.S. being a 'free country'. The real argument was that these people had not committed a single crime in obtaining the rights and permits to build a land and prohibiting them from building a mosque through legislation or the feelings of the public would violate their first amendment rights.
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So let me get this straight in your world the 1st amendment = only freedom of religion and not freedom from religion as well? Good to know. :roll: Refusing to allow the building of a bar next to a house of worship is a clear violation of the establishment clause as the sole determining factor would be that it was a place of worship.
 
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