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Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

Catz Part Deux said:
Oh really? Issuing fatwas against cartoonists and threatening to kill them is tolerant? Killing filmmakers in the streets of the Netherlands is tolerant? Killing contestants in beauty pageants is tolerant? Raping women because they don't wear a burqa is tolerant? Disallowing and persecuting other religious groups in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Lebanon, etc. is tolerant? The treatment of gay men/women in predominantly muslim nations has been tolerant?

Do tell.
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Since when did "some Muslims" become "all Muslims?" I don't let the immoral actions of a few prejudice my opinion of the majority of peaceful, tolerant Muslims.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
ok well thanks for that Caine, it was a good thing you came along and let me know. I'm sure that dood was concerned I was making a pass at him using a common word for friend in arabic until you came along. Thank you ever so much for the correction, now this thread may continue..... /facepalm
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Well Im sorry to hurt your know it all ego there bub.
 
Guy Incognito said:
I always knew the Rev had a hardon for me, but this is ridiculous.
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actually, I can't even muster a semi flacid state from flacid for you... :shrug:



regarding the word, it is also .mil jargon for any middle easterner, as often when confronted by iraqis trying to sell **** they would yell "habibi habibi habibi".... :prof:
 
texmaster said:
Then why did you claim my reasoning is pathetic? If it is and you agree with me, what does that say? :D
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Because you were attempting to argue that the same zoning standards should be used for a gay bar as for a church, and that simply doesn't reflect reality. If you knew the zoning would already allow this club, then you should have stated this.

You think you know what I believe, and that your little intellectual attempts at traps are clever, but they're really clumsy and stupid, Tex.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Since when did "some Muslims" become "all Muslims?" I don't let the immoral actions of a few prejudice my opinion of the majority of peaceful, tolerant Muslims.
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Islam, in general, doesn't promote peace and tolerance. Sorry if you disagree. Of course, I don't believe Christianity does, either, fwiw. I think this world would be a better place without religious zealots.
 
Guy Incognito said:
I think they make a little blue pill for that.
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So you are if I am not reading you wrong, telling me I should get pills to see if I can get a hardon for you?


Really?


While flattered, I will have to decline, even pills won't help me become attracted to you in any way shape or form. Sorry.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Islam, in general, doesn't promote peace and tolerance. Sorry if you disagree. Of course, I don't believe Christianity does, either, fwiw. I think this world would be a better place without religious zealots.
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I understand your views in this regard, and I must respectfully disagree. I do think, however, that while your reach a similar conclusion, your reason for opposing the mosque is quite different than the majority of Americans that oppose the mosque. I'd suggest that my quarrel is really with them.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Islam, in general, doesn't promote peace and tolerance. Sorry if you disagree. Of course, I don't believe Christianity does, either, fwiw. I think this world would be a better place without religious zealots.
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Jesus promoted tolerance. One of his main groups he reached out to were the prostitutes and tax collectors (and the zealots of his time had a fit). However, people who claim to be Christians do not promote tolerance (not all, but sadly the zealots taint our image).
 
digsbe said:
Jesus promoted tolerance. One of his main groups he reached out to were the prostitutes and tax collectors (and the zealots of his time had a fit). However, people who claim to be Christians do not promote tolerance (not all, but sadly the zealots taint our image).
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Eh, the story of the good samaritan had some insights. However, in general, Paul wasn't a very tolerant person, and most Christian doctrine is about 75% based upon Pauline teachings and 25% based upon the words of Jesus Christ, in my experience.

You, however, are a good egg. :)
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Because you were attempting to argue that the same zoning standards should be used for a gay bar as for a church, and that simply doesn't reflect reality. If you knew the zoning would already allow this club, then you should have stated this.

You think you know what I believe, and that your little intellectual attempts at traps are clever, but they're really clumsy and stupid, Tex.
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I understand you have a hard time following and jump into threads before thinking them through. I refer you to when you made up quotes I never made or when you claimed you were a centrist and I quoted the far left statements and threads you have made.

And you've done it again here. If he is in commercial zoning as he believes then there is no legal justification for denying him the space. That is no different than allowing a Mosque to be built if the zoning is correct as you and others pointed out in the other thread, there is no legal justification for denying him the space. Its the same point from two different views. Its too bad you didn't realize it sooner than page 7.

And if you are actually agreeing with me here after arguing for so long, my point about your style has been proven :)
 
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Guy Incognito said:
I understand your views in this regard, and I must respectfully disagree. I do think, however, that while your reach a similar conclusion, your reason for opposing the mosque is quite different than the majority of Americans that oppose the mosque. I'd suggest that my quarrel is really with them.
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I don't oppose the mosque. I feel that if the zoning allows for religious buildings in that area, it should be allowed. It's a clear-cut 1st Amendment violation, otherwise.

Just because I believe that the mosque should be allowed, don't assume I'm a fan of Islam (or any other religion). Probably the only religion I have is that of the constitution and bill of rights.
 
texmaster said:
That is no different than allowing a Mosque to be built if the zoning is correct as you and others pointed out in the other thread, there is no legal justification for denying him the space.
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But nobody is denying him the space. Let him get the proper permits and the investors willing to put their money into this just to make a statement, and I don't think anybody is going to oppose him. But that's just it, he isn't serious, so this whole argument is academic.
 
texmaster said:
I understand you have a hard time following and jump into threads before thinking them through. I refer you to when you made up quotes I never made or when you claimed you were a centrist and I quoted the far left statements and threads you have made.
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I AM a centrist, Tex. Feel free to ask my opinion on any issue. Just because I have a few liberal beliefs doesn't mean that the sum total of my beliefs are liberal. Most of my views are conservative.

And you've done it again here. If he is in commercial zoning as he believes then there is no legal justification for denying him the space. That is no different than allowing a Mosque to be built if the zoning is correct as you and others pointed out in the other thread, there is no legal justification for denying him the space. Its the same point from two different views. Its too bad you didn't realize it sooner than page 7
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I'm not sure this is a commercial area. I was under the impression that it was residential, in which case, a bar might not be allowed, based upon existing zoning laws. Do you have evidence that this is a commercial area where other bars exist? If you're going to make this claim, you should prove it.

And if you are actually agreeing with me here after arguing for so long my point about your style has been proven :)
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The fact that it took you until page 7 to figure out what I was saying is just sad.

My first post made my position clear: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-open-gay-bar-next-mosque.html#post1058912634
 
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Hatuey said:
No. It's trolling when you don't understand the comments being made by people so you jump into wave a flag mode. It would take somebody far more connected than a FOX News commentator to get a licquor license and operate next door to a house of worship in any state. That's what my argument was in reference to. When you're ready to discuss my statements, maybe you can come back to your thread?
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Wait...dont we have another thread running right now about a Church right next door to a strip club???
 
If it's supposed to mimic the conceptualization of the mosque, will he announce that it will be built right next to it and actually plan on building it several blocks away?
 
VanceMack said:
Wait...dont we have another thread running right now about a Church right next door to a strip club???
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Yes, but the strip club predated the church. The church members CHOSE to locate across the street from it. Thus, their protests about it are pretty disingenuous.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
:prof They still have permitting requirements & zoning ordinances, just like any other city. Most cities won't allow a strip club to be built next to a school, either.
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We have another thread with strippers protesting their next door neighbors...a church.

besides...what would be the problem with housing a gay club next to the mosque?
 
texmaster said:
Miller and his show was outstanding on HBO. I love his monolgue because you had to be up on history to understand many of his jokes.
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Thanks, I forgot about him. He's ok I guess and I suppose he is to the right.
 
VanceMack said:
We have another thread with strippers protesting their next door neighbors...a church.

besides...what would be the problem with housing a gay club next to the mosque?
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I know. I posted one on it on news of the weird. The church moved in years after the strip club was already established there, and then started picketing the strip club to run it out of business.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Just because I believe that the mosque should be allowed, don't assume I'm a fan of Islam (or any other religion). Probably the only religion I have is that of the constitution and bill of rights.
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I understand that, I think if you have the same issue with Islam as you do with every other religion this is not a bigoted response but a measured critique of organized religion. I strongly disagree, but it is still a view that I can respect. On the other hand, there a many more people who have no problem with Christianity, and are oppose the mosque (or find it in bad taste, or whatever) as part of larger intolerance of Islam specifically. This is, in my view, clearly racist/xenophonbic and based on Christian chauvinism than a reasonable understanding of Islam or religion generally.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Well thats just it, the mosque isn't in poor taste at all. It doesn't warrant such a mean-spirited reaction as this comedy routine from Gutfeld, which is really just a series of vulgar slurs, in very poor taste. I'm a fan of red-eye, and I think Greg Gutfeld is better than this, but he's a right-wing comedian so it seems to me he's pandering to the bigoted reactionary response to the mosque.
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Really? According to who? Hell...even thinking muslims recognize its in poor taste. But if it was 'just' poor taste that would be one thing. I know...I know...you probably 'know' some muslims...right? And they are all GREAT guys...and that whole religion of peace thing...right? Except there is a problem. That 'religion of peace' does a lousy job of speaking out against the not so peaceful version (prolly cuz if they do the not so peaceful version of the "religion of peace" will keel them dead). And that Not so peaceful version will point to a mosque on the site of the downed twin towers as the ultimate victory over the great satan. And that makes for a nice recruiting poster!
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I know. I posted one on it on news of the weird. The church moved in years after the strip club was already established there, and then started picketing the strip club to run it out of business.
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So that seems kinda backward. But if they can get the Gay club established before hand, then can the Gay club sue them to not allow a church within so many feet of their building?
 
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