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    Re: Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    I'll say it again real slow this time for the theists, there is absolutely 0 evidence coming from non-Muslim and non-Christian primary sources proving their existence.

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    Re: Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    My kids, my brother, sister in law, and niece/nephew all play. I just can't get into it.
    That's because it's gay.

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    Re: Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    They aren't there yet. But the Christians have had several hundred years more to mellow out.
    Not really as the Christians didn't obtain a position of authority until much later on.

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    Re: Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

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    I'll say it again real slow this time for the theists, there is absolutely 0 evidence coming from non-Muslim and non-Christian primary sources proving their existence.
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    Re: Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Not really as the Christians didn't obtain a position of authority until much later on.
    Well, Constantine I, circa around 300 AD.

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    Re: Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

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    Re: Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    I already commented on that he was relaying stories that he heard from the Muslims, and it doesn't give a date for when he wrote about Mohammad it could have been decades after his supposed death.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 08-13-10 at 10:27 PM.

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    Re: Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I already commented on that he was relaying stories that he heard from the Muslims,
    Incorrect. Regardless, it is a non-Muslim primary source that affirms the historicity of Muhammad.
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    and it doesn't give a date for when he wrote about Mohammad it could have been decades after his supposed death.
    No crap? It is a work entitled "History"...

    But I wished to concisely write down and narrate to you [information] about all the following [events]: all the evil which transpired in Peroz' time; Vardan's rebellion against Xosrov; the rebellion of the Iranian troops from Ormizd; Ormizd's death and the enthronement of Xosrov; Maurice's death and the reign of Phocas; the taking of Egypt; [3] the destruction of Alexandria; the appeal of Heraclius to the king of the T'eatalats'ik' in the Northern parts and the sending of countless multitudes of peoples [in response to Heraclius' appeal]; the Byzantines' raiding in Atrpatakan, the loot and booty; the return via P'aytakaran; the coming of Iranian troops from the east to strike at him; the war which occurred in the land of [Caucasian] Aghbania; the emperor's turn to the city of Naxchewan and the fight at Archish; the emperor's departure thence to his own borders; the other attack on Xosrov; the warfare which occurred at Ninue; the raid upon the city of Ctesiphon (Tisbon); the return to Atrpatakan; Xosrov's death; the enthronement of Kawad; the reconciliation which occurred between the two kingdoms [Byzantium and Iran]; then the ceding of borders to the Byzantines; the return of the divine Cross to the Holy City. [Then I shall describe] the arousal of fathomless [divine] anger and the final disasters [brought on] by the marauders from the Southern parts [the Arabs]; how the armies of the Ishmaelites unexpectedly moved forth and, in a moment's time, overthrowing the might of both kings, seized [territories extending] from Egypt to this side of the great Euphrates river and to the border of the Armenians [ts' sahman Hayastaneayts'], from the shores of the great sea in the West [the Atlantic] to the gate/court of the Iranian kingdom, [taking] all the [4] cities of Mesopotamia of the Syrians, and Ctesiphon, Veh Artashir, Marand, Hamatan as far as the city of Gandzak, and the great Hrat which is located in the district of Atrpatakan.

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    Re: Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Incorrect. Regardless, it is a non-Muslim primary source that affirms the historicity of Muhammad.
    A) It is not a primary source he was reciting things that he had heard from Muslims

    B) Unless you provide the date which he wrote it then it is not even a contemporary source.

    No crap? It is a work entitled "History"...
    And what is that "history" based on besides stories told by Muslims?

    You have absolutely 0 evidence for the existence of Mohammad, you don't have paintings made of him from the time as it was commanded not to have portraits of human figures (gee how convenient) you don't have any non-Muslim primary source recounting first hand events and you haven't even proven that you have a secondary contemporary source speaking about Mohammad before his supposed death. Why no mention of Mohammad by the Sassanids or the Byzantines until long after his death if he was such an important figure?
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    Re: Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    A) It is not a primary source he was reciting things that he had heard from Muslims
    Source for this assertion?
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    B) Unless you provide the date which he wrote it then it is not even a contemporary source.
    Most historians have suggested 661 AD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    And what is that "history" based on besides stories told by Muslims?
    Do you have any evidence you would like to provide that Sebeos was told "stories" by Muslims? Otherwise, your assertions are baseless.
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    You have absolutely 0 evidence for the existence of Mohammad,
    You have absolutely 0 evidence for the nonexistence of Muhammad.
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    you don't have paintings made of him from the time as it was commanded not to have portraits of human figures (gee how convenient)
    So? We don't have paintains made of numerous historical figures. That doesn't mean they didn't exist. What asinine reasoning.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    you don't have any non-Muslim primary source recounting first hand events and you haven't even proven that you have a secondary contemporary source speaking about Mohammad before his supposed death. Why no mention of Mohammad by the Sassanids or the Byzantines until long after his death if he was such an important figure?
    Why don't you accept Muslim primary sources? Or do you have selective source bias?

    In case you forgot, you were the one who asserted that Muhammad did not exist. The burden of proof on proving that is on you.

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