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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, if that is so, although I don't see any farmers not using water, however he very well could have used his own supply.
    We used a farm pond. That's why I talk about taking care of the land, so it will take care of you.

    I am curious though, as a farmer, there are taxes to pay, and most businesses pass those along in the cost of the goods. Are you saying that your dad ate those?
    My dad had two businesses. The farm, itself, was mainly a way of providing food for OUR family, with a little earning on the side. People who bought our cattle paid their own sales tax on the meat. My dad also owned an HVAC business. He paid the union fees of his workers, and his customers paid the sales tax of the units they purchased.

    But, enough about me.

    Let's get back on topic: Do you think that Google and Verizon should be allowed to pursue this plan? If so, why?
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    Re: Google and Verizon DID do a deal for new internet 'first class' superhighway Rea

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Let's get back on topic: Do you think that Google and Verizon should be allowed to pursue this plan? If so, why?

    I have to admit self interest in this one. If Google and Verizon are doing this to provide a more secure, and faster environment on the net for things like Medical records, and the cost of that won't be passed along to me, then I say go for it. But, being realistic, what won't be passed along to me in greater cost?


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    Re: Google and Verizon DID do a deal for new internet 'first class' superhighway Rea

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I have to admit self interest in this one. If Google and Verizon are doing this to provide a more secure, and faster environment on the net for things like Medical records, and the cost of that won't be passed along to me, then I say go for it. But, being realistic, what won't be passed along to me in greater cost?
    That's not actually how it will work. Google/Verizon plan to charge content providers to expedite delivery/loading of their content to potential viewers. In other words, click on Amazon, MSNBC, or a major motion picture's commercial website, and pages will download with lightening speed. Click on a smallish blog, and it will download like molasses. Only mega sites will be able to afford to pay for their content to be sped up on the fast lane, and independent content, such as blogs, etc. will be slowed down. In other words, commerical content will get privileged delivery to us, and independent content will be more difficult for us to receive.

    The net effect will be to shift internet users to mainstream media and commercial content, and away from smaller, more independent voices.

    You can see how that might be bad and stifle the growth of independent media via blogging, right? It will have a chilling effect on exactly the equality of content delivery that has made the internet such a growth medium for communicating with like-minded people.
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    Re: Google and Verizon DID do a deal for new internet 'first class' superhighway Rea

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That's not actually how it will work. Google/Verizon plan to charge content providers to expedite delivery/loading of their content to potential viewers. In other words, click on Amazon, MSNBC, or a major motion picture's commercial website, and pages will download with lightening speed. Click on a smallish blog, and it will download like molasses. Only mega sites will be able to afford to pay for their content to be sped up on the fast lane, and independent content, such as blogs, etc. will be slowed down. In other words, commerical content will get privileged delivery to us, and independent content will be more difficult for us to receive.

    The net effect will be to shift internet users to mainstream media and commercial content, and away from smaller, more independent voices.

    You can see how that might be bad and stifle the growth of independent media via blogging, right? It will have a chilling effect on exactly the equality of content delivery that has made the internet such a growth medium for communicating with like-minded people.

    In that explanation, then I am against it.


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    Re: Google and Verizon DID do a deal for new internet 'first class' superhighway Rea

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In that explanation, then I am against it.
    See? Sometimes corporations really ARE evil. And sometimes, government really DOES have to step in to protect the interests of the public.

    Not always, but sometimes.

    And to me, this is a corporate decision that could be really bad, and could even kill what I consider to be a huge step forward in having unbridled freedom of content. Essentially, it would have a chilling effect on free speech by keeping content away from people who are actually interested in it. And, it would be using a resource that WE PAID TO DEVELOP, as taxpayers.
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    Re: Google and Verizon DID do a deal for new internet 'first class' superhighway Rea

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    In that explanation, then I am against it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You will be assimilated.

    I feel a little zombie like already.


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    Re: Google and Verizon DID do a deal for new internet 'first class' superhighway Rea

    My net neutrality stance has always been the same pretty much...

    My utlimately preference would be to remove the federal and state regulations onf ISP's that create quasi-monopolies where few, if any, real "choices" are available and said choices is contingent on simply which mega-corp's TYPE you want (IE cable, fiber, phone, or sat). Open it up to actual competition where the various ISP's can actually push into the location of other ones and force prices and openness that way.

    The above is looking less and less likely to happen, let alone feasable, with every passing day. As such, the next best option is Net Neutrality legislated by the government.

    To me it's essentially Competition > Net Neutrality > Nothing.

    The problem is, the regulations preventing that have been in place for so long now that the various big corps have become so entrenched and have control of so much of the backbone that we've reached a point where the government and corporations have happily moved forward hand in hand to screw all of us with the corporations getting their quasi-monopoly and the governemnt creating a scenario where they can later go forward and go "oh, look at those big awful evil corporations, they're up to no good, you need to give us MORE authority!" We the American people have been screwed into a corner by BOTH of the groups in this, with the only difference being that the government has done a far better job of attempting to shine up the slop that's all over them while the corporations haven't.

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