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    Re: U.S. electricity blackouts skyrocketing

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The GOP would stand resolutely against such a thing. I mean, the vast majority of Republicans voted against a healthcare bill for 9/11 first responders because those damned LibboDems had the nerve to pay for it by raising taxes by closing tax-shelter-nation loopholes used by corportations to avoid paying income taxes.

    YOU CAN'T SPEND MORE MONEY ON FRIVILOUS THINGS LIKE ELECTRICITY! RARR THE SPENDING!

    edit: More on-topic, we do need such a program. I'd suggest streamlining the approval process for nuclear power plants, and providing government-backed loans/insurance for their construction. Our energy consumption is increasing rapidly, and for energy density you just can't beat nuclear power. The cost of a nuke plant is mainly due to the enormous red tape involved in construction. The fuel budget at a nuke plant is usually on par with the cafeteria budget.

    Look, now we know what DailyKOS and Huffpo think about the issue!


    And OT, the GOP would support Tax Cuts and incentives to invest in such projects, perhaps even some grants and loans.

    Crazy that sort of thinking eh?
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    Re: U.S. electricity blackouts skyrocketing

    We're good here in Texas. We like our nuclear power.

    And anyone living in New York City like my sister will never forget that 03 blackout.
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    Re: U.S. electricity blackouts skyrocketing

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Oil will run out, so will coal, I'm all for nuclear power, it's safe, and the waste can be stored safely. Solar power is alot better than it was years ago, and it's not unrealistic to have solar panels on the majority of peoples roofs in 15-20 years. I think it's time to move on from oil, natural gas, and coal, it's hard to get, it hurts the environment, and it will run out. The sun won't.(Well it will, but by that time we better be living on a another planet or it's bye bye humans.)
    I'm not so hot on nuclear:

    1) It takes 10-15 years to build a plant, which would include a vast amount of energy just to build the damn thing (err... oil).

    2) uranium is finite, just like oil.

    3) uranium is a bitch to mine. It uses up vast amounts of energy (err... oil).

    4) I'm not confident the waste will be disposed of properly. It seems to be a problem now, with few in NA running.
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    Re: U.S. electricity blackouts skyrocketing

    It takes time to build anything. But nuclear energy is currently the most efficient and clean of all energies we reasonably have. Uranium may be finite, and the process to purify it long and tedious. But you can use thorium and plutonium as well. Breeder reactors in particular are nice because as a waste product, they produce fissile material which can be reintroduced into the reactor, thus recycling part of the waste and generating significantly less waste which needs disposal. The storage of waste is a bit of a problem, but there are several long term storage sites available. The problem is people's reactions to "nuclear" things. They tend to freak out and believe they're gonna get cancer or something. Poor fools, if only they knew the radiation they receive from being outside. Hell even those concrete building blocks give off some amount of background radiation.

    As it stands, nuclear energy is the best form we have. But like oil and gas; we shouldn't stagnate on it just because it's good for now. We always advance, humans have always discovered more things. So I think we can keep developing other energy production means in the meantime and replace current set ups once we have viable alternative forms of energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I'm not so hot on nuclear:

    1) It takes 10-15 years to build a plant, which would include a vast amount of energy just to build the damn thing (err... oil).

    2) uranium is finite, just like oil.

    3) uranium is a bitch to mine. It uses up vast amounts of energy (err... oil).

    4) I'm not confident the waste will be disposed of properly. It seems to be a problem now, with few in NA running.
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    Re: U.S. electricity blackouts skyrocketing

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Oops, you little rant forgot to say that our society is extremely wasteful.
    I'm all for conserving and do my part. I can't conserve anymore than I do without being miserable. When electricity skyrockets, I'm going to be SOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It takes time to build anything. But nuclear energy is currently the most efficient and clean of all energies we reasonably have. Uranium may be finite, and the process to purify it long and tedious. But you can use thorium and plutonium as well. Breeder reactors in particular are nice because as a waste product, they produce fissile material which can be reintroduced into the reactor, thus recycling part of the waste and generating significantly less waste which needs disposal. The storage of waste is a bit of a problem, but there are several long term storage sites available. The problem is people's reactions to "nuclear" things. They tend to freak out and believe they're gonna get cancer or something. Poor fools, if only they knew the radiation they receive from being outside. Hell even those concrete building blocks give off some amount of background radiation.

    As it stands, nuclear energy is the best form we have. But like oil and gas; we shouldn't stagnate on it just because it's good for now. We always advance, humans have always discovered more things. So I think we can keep developing other energy production means in the meantime and replace current set ups once we have viable alternative forms of energy.
    This is what would happen should we all go nuclear:



    Figure 2 illustrates the different projections of uranium depletion, pending an increase in annual consumption rates of 3%, 5% or 8%. Currently, uranium production falls incredibly short of the demand. As oil resources become scarce, uranium will have more pressure put upon it as a resource. All three different scenarios have a similar course until around 2013, where they part trails. By 2020, there is a serious uranium shortage.
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    Re: U.S. electricity blackouts skyrocketing

    Quote Originally Posted by barbbtx View Post
    i'm all for conserving and do my part. I can't conserve anymore than i do without being miserable. When electricity skyrockets, i'm going to be sol.
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    Re: U.S. electricity blackouts skyrocketing

    Isn't France almost all nuclear now?
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    Re: U.S. electricity blackouts skyrocketing

    We haven't been building power plants at an adequate rate in the past three decades... and now we're reaping our own short-sightedness.


    More nuke plants.

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