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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You were making an appeal to the absurd. If you think having that pointed out to you is a personal attack, you've got thinner skin than I thought.
    So I am the one making an appeal to the absurd because I corrected you on the standard used by the courts when instructing a jury how to make a decision on a case?

    It is REASONABLE doubt. I then had to demonstrate WHY it is REASONABLE doubt. Claiming Aliens did it is not reasonable. Yet if we had an ANY doubt standard, such a defense could actually work if another person in the jury was gullible to actually believe that bull****.
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Juries are just using common sense. How were they supposed to actually believe that a vehicle magically started accelerating on its own?
    Because it's possible for a car to get stuck with the throttle open either due to mechanical or electronic failure. It's a situation which has occurred so we know that it is something which can occur. We're not talking unicorns and leprechauns here, there's no magic involved. An internal combustion engine is very good at what it does and if it continues to have levels of appropriate fuel being fed into the engine, it will continue to produce power.

    My only question would be "did he try to throw it into neutral", because that's the best way to stop the engine power from reaching the wheels.
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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Contrary to unpopular belief. Its not a requirement to tell a jury how long someone will be sentenced for, or how long someone MAY be sentenced for when they are deciding a case. Nor is it the decision of a jury to decide how long someone is sentenced to in a non-capital case. Thus, your comments about sentencing someone to 8 years as a member of a jury mean jack diddly squat because the jury members do not have this information to go off of.

    Do I think 8 years is excessive? Yeah sure.
    Am I going to condemn the jury for making a decision based upon the information that they were given in trial (of which, btw, none of us knows the full details of, we only know the defense's argument.)? No
    Do I understand why the prosecutor has decided to not retry the case? Yes.
    Does it have anything to do with the prosecutor believing that the man is "innocent"? Probably not. The prosecutor knows that even though this Toyota vehicle driving off on its own crap is a bunch of hype, too many jurors are going to be tainted by this because of media reports to have a fair trial. On top of that, three years is plenty for an accidental yet negligent manslaughter case.
    Yeah, my bad. The jury doesn't get involved in sentencing -- I don't think...? Who condemned the jury? You're right, they made a decision based on the facts they had at the time. A Toyota vehicle driving off on its own is not a bunch of hype. Been there. It's what's called an accident.
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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

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    Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car - CNN.com



    This kind of makes my blood boil, Juries seem to be way too trigger happy when it comes to convicting people. I hope he gets a nice compensation for his prison time and wins the law suit against Toyota.
    The OP jumped all over the jury, as evidenced here.
    Which was my whole reason for jumping into this conversation in the first place.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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