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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Yep, jump on Toyota.
    U.S. Study Indicates Driver Error in Most Toyota Crashes - WSJ.com
    "A government safety examination of Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in crashes attributed to sudden acceleration so far has not yielded evidence of flaws in Toyotas while pointing instead to driver error. "
    When the issue of sudden acceleration hit the news, many jumped on Toyota. Seems that in the majority of cases the driver was in error and not the vehicle. Wonder in this case if the vehicle had the "black box" that records info prior to impact. It it does, it will be interesting to see if this person actually did everything possible.
    Well, in my case is was a combination of two things: driver error and faulty design. The snow mat was meant to be fastened down to the floor. Managing the fastening system was awkward and rather difficult. My fiance' did it for me when I put the winter mat in the car. I suspect that when I had the car washed (any number of times B4 the incident) the mats were pulled out, washed, and then just thrown down on the floor. (Operator error.) The mat itself was too thick. If it DID slide (which they DID) it interfered with the operation of the gas pedal -- causing insane acceleration. The fix from Toyota on the recall was a MUCH thinner mat.
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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, in my case is was a combination of two things: driver error and faulty design. The snow mat was meant to be fastened down to the floor. Managing the fastening system was awkward and rather difficult. My fiance' did it for me when I put the winter mat in the car. I suspect that when I had the car washed (any number of times B4 the incident) the mats were pulled out, washed, and then just thrown down on the floor. (Operator error.) The mat itself was too thick. If it DID slide (which they DID) it interfered with the operation of the gas pedal -- causing insane acceleration. The fix from Toyota on the recall was a MUCH thinner mat.
    No disagreement on the floor mat issue. The mats should have been secured and made thinner from the start.

    I remember reading Popular Mechanics and other car magazines that tested Toyota when they were in the news. Every test done showed that the brakes could stop the car even at full throttle. This started my thinking that most drivers just don't apply the brakes hard enough or long enough. Most safety tips were to brake like hxxx, put it in neutral, or even turn the ignition off.
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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    No disagreement on the floor mat issue. The mats should have been secured and made thinner from the start.

    I remember reading Popular Mechanics and other car magazines that tested Toyota when they were in the news. Every test done showed that the brakes could stop the car even at full throttle. This started my thinking that most drivers just don't apply the brakes hard enough or long enough. Most safety tips were to brake like hxxx, put it in neutral, or even turn the ignition off.
    Believe me, I was standing on my brake pedal. Squealing....white smoke pouring...Honestly, it was horrific. I even thought to put it into neutral, but what I didn't have the presence of mind to do was to take my foot off the brake when I did so. So, obviously, I was seriously thrown forward, the car was bucking like a bronco. I got "scared" instead of staying smart and put it back in drive. I "think" I must have put it back into neutral when I got over closer to the side...that's the only way I can figure out I had the nerve to shut off the engine. What was running thru my mind was that if I turned off the ignition, my steering would lock up and I'd lose my brakes. It really was YIKES!! When I did get over to the side, I did turn off the engine. But it re-started. Off. Re-started. Off. Re-started. Now, they tell us that you have to hold the auto-start-button in for 10 seconds or something or it'll do just that.
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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

    This thread could also spin off into a discussion of juries, as well. I have served on several, and it's the problem that people are coerced into being members of a jury. They just want to get the trial over so they can go home and get on about their lives. If they can do anything to end the trial, then a conviction of the poor acused is the quickest way out, especially if it involves something like a far-fetched story as this one. No one knew about run away Toyotas a few years ago.
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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    This thread could also spin off into a discussion of juries, as well. I have served on several, and it's the problem that people are coerced into being members of a jury. They just want to get the trial over so they can go home and get on about their lives. If they can do anything to end the trial, then a conviction of the poor acused is the quickest way out, especially if it involves something like a far-fetched story as this one. No one knew about run away Toyotas a few years ago.
    From what I've seen on DP, this thread could spin off into a discussion about sardines.
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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    This thread could also spin off into a discussion of juries, as well. I have served on several, and it's the problem that people are coerced into being members of a jury. They just want to get the trial over so they can go home and get on about their lives. If they can do anything to end the trial, then a conviction of the poor acused is the quickest way out, especially if it involves something like a far-fetched story as this one. No one knew about run away Toyotas a few years ago.
    Ummmmm..... okay... Your state needs to be investigated for improper practices then.

    In order to convict a person the trial must go to completion and then be decided upon by a jury.
    The jury cannot hand down a guilty verdict before the trial has completed.
    Thus juries convicting to end the trial quickly is a non-point, and just an excuse as to why juries convict people.

    Im sorry, but its not logical that a 10 year old car with no seriously known to that point problems would run away on its own. We are talking about REASONABLE. I feel its not a REASONABLE doubt to have that the vehicle ran away on its own, especially when the defense attorney screwed up and said that the defendant has his foot on the accelerator when it was not the story that the defendnat wanted to try to get off on. It is not the job of a jury to determine whether or not a defense attorney is doing a good enough job and rule based upon that. It is the job of a jury to take the evidence, either direct or constructive, and make a decision based upon the evidence, and whether or not the evidence presented shows that the defendant met the elements of a crime.

    I don't blame the jury, I blame the evidence, and the representation of the evidence through the work of the prosecution and defense attorneys.
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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

    Why exactly is he being released, other than because some people bought the hype about Toyota's accelerating on their own? Is there any new evidence that he wasn't at fault?
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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Why exactly is he being released, other than because some people bought the hype about Toyota's accelerating on their own? Is there any new evidence that he wasn't at fault?
    I was wondering this too. Was there evidence that his car was faulty?

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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Why exactly is he being released, other than because some people bought the hype about Toyota's accelerating on their own? Is there any new evidence that he wasn't at fault?
    The article posted also states that the reviewing judge found that his defense was inadequate due to mistaking his own client's testimony in relation to his foot being on the accelerator.

    I think I read something like that in there, too lazy to go re-read it.
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    Re: Man freed after fatal Toyota crash 'tried everything' to stop car

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The article posted also states that the reviewing judge found that his defense was inadequate due to mistaking his own client's testimony in relation to his foot being on the accelerator.

    I think I read something like that in there, too lazy to go re-read it.
    The judge cited that as a reason, but it seems like he's just throwing that in in order to justify his reversal of the verdict. Ineffective assistance of counsel is a very high threshold to meet, and is normally raised right after the trial is over. Here, nobody brought it up until after a reporter heard about the Toyota hype and made a big stink about it a full three years after the conviction.
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