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Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

First off, the term is spigot. Secondly, aren't the states responsible for paying for their own services? If the feds don't have the money, they can't/shouldn't spend it. Your position here seems in conflict with most of your other positions.


Thanks for the grammar correction, I am glad you got the idea anyway. And yes the states are indeed responsible, however in many cases there are grants for some services. When these things get reduced, it forces many, more severe cuts at the state level.

My position is neither liberal, nor conservative when it concerns Mental Health. See, a few years ago, I had to deal with Mental health issues of two of my immediate family members, and got a real education on how screwed up that system is.


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You don't give them a choice. :shrug:

I would have no problem with this if it was tied to getting public assistance. In other words "we will give you a job if you can't get one, it might be ****ty, but its a job and you can eat"
 
I would have no problem with this if it was tied to getting public assistance. In other words "we will give you a job if you can't get one, it might be ****ty, but its a job and you can eat"

That's exactly what I am saying except make it a supervised and communal. Tell them, you work on public works projects, you get three squares a day, R&R time, health care, shelter, job training and somewhat of a normal life. AND, we will put x amount aside for you so that when you leave the camp you will have something to start out right with.

Don't commit to this program and you can go in the general population of the closest prison for vagrancy, squatting, loitering, etc.
 
That's exactly what I am saying except make it a supervised and communal. Tell them, you work on public works projects, you get three squares a day, R&R time, health care, shelter, job training and somewhat of a normal life. AND, we will put x amount aside for you so that when you leave the camp you will have something to start out right with.

Don't commit to this program and you can go in the general population of the closest prison for vagrancy, squatting, loitering, etc.

I think whatever such a program is, it has to be like living on a minimum wage job or whatever the lowest rung is on the private sector.
 
I shall be stupid now.

Can't they just go join the Peace Corp?
 
Thanks for the grammar correction, I am glad you got the idea anyway. And yes the states are indeed responsible, however in many cases there are grants for some services. When these things get reduced, it forces many, more severe cuts at the state level.

My position is neither liberal, nor conservative when it concerns Mental Health. See, a few years ago, I had to deal with Mental health issues of two of my immediate family members, and got a real education on how screwed up that system is.

It's a horribly f'ed up system that is nearly impossible to navigate without really, really good health insurance. However, your position is liberal on this issue, but that's a good thing. It shows you see a role for government in some services, i.e., you have a heart. People don't choose to be mentally ill, and it is incredibly debilitating. I do see a role for government to provide help to people who are incapacitated. I get tired of taking care of people who are completely able-bodied and choose not to help themselves.
 
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That's exactly what I am saying except make it a supervised and communal. Tell them, you work on public works projects, you get three squares a day, R&R time, health care, shelter, job training and somewhat of a normal life. AND, we will put x amount aside for you so that when you leave the camp you will have something to start out right with.

Don't commit to this program and you can go in the general population of the closest prison for vagrancy, squatting, loitering, etc.

People aren't usually sentenced to prison for vagrancy, squatting, loitering, etc., because those are low-level offenses. And we can't house all of our felony offenders at present. At the most, they might be ordered onto probation, but most generally, they are charged in a city court somewhere, and ordered to pay a fine, which they never pay, and then they migrate elsewhere.

Longterm homelessness is very difficult because especially with dual diagnosis (substance addiction + mental health issues), the person doesn't WANT to be rehabilitated, they don't WANT to get clean (they are self-medicating for a reason), and it's very difficult for people to succeed in treatment if they aren't motivated to change.

It's a very sad and challenging problem that is a lot more complicated than most people think it is. It's not just a matter of housing and feeding these people, many are severely mentally ill and probably will never function well in the mainstream, and we don't institutionalize people anymore for the most part. But, a lot of longterm homeless people probably SHOULD be institutionalized, for their own safety, and for the safety of other people.
 
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I dont understand why they dont create work camps for the chronically homeless and give them something to do that grants a sense of purpose, financial stability to pay for the camp, and removal from the streets and, consequently, the opportunity for crime.
"Will work for food" -- all lies.
 
But if in any situation, there aren't enough people doing something or the problem requires a general change on the actions of a large group of people (like parents), the reaction from your camp is "oh well"
Question. What chance do you give this of succeeding?

Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years | McClatchy

Do you think we'll "end homelessness among some of society's most vulnerable groups within the next decade"?
 
Do you think we'll "end homelessness among some of society's most vulnerable groups within the next decade"?

I think we could end short-term homelessness to a large degree by providing temporary housing/assistance programs that help people get back on their feet. And, the vast majority of the short-term homeless are made up of the working poor who live paycheck to paycheck and whose lives can be seriously disrupted pretty easily. However, we will probably never end longterm homelessness unless we start institutionalizing the seriously mentally ill again.
 
I prefer to brainstorm possible solutions than derail the thread with assumptions that these are Very Bad, Lazy People.
 
About time you showed up.

I left myself logged in while I went and had the most awesomest Thai food ever.

As to the other things you said, I am with you 100% on the idea of institutionalizing people again...under humane conditions where people can be directed toward something useful.
 
I left myself logged in while I went and had the most awesomest Thai food ever.

As to the other things you said, I am with you 100% on the idea of institutionalizing people again...under humane conditions where people can be directed toward something useful.

That makes me want to make green curry tonight.
 
Sorry, I didn't hit quote - I wasn't talking to you, my post just followed yours.

I think we could end short-term homelessness to a large degree by providing temporary housing/assistance programs that help people get back on their feet. And, the vast majority of the short-term homeless are made up of the working poor who live paycheck to paycheck and whose lives can be seriously disrupted pretty easily. However, we will probably never end longterm homelessness unless we start institutionalizing the seriously mentally ill again.
 
Uhhh, there's nothing in that document that bars prison sentences for all the crimes that come along with homelessness.

Thanks for playing though.

But being homeless is not a crime. Thanks for playing.
 
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