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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    First off, the term is spigot. Secondly, aren't the states responsible for paying for their own services? If the feds don't have the money, they can't/shouldn't spend it. Your position here seems in conflict with most of your other positions.

    Thanks for the grammar correction, I am glad you got the idea anyway. And yes the states are indeed responsible, however in many cases there are grants for some services. When these things get reduced, it forces many, more severe cuts at the state level.

    My position is neither liberal, nor conservative when it concerns Mental Health. See, a few years ago, I had to deal with Mental health issues of two of my immediate family members, and got a real education on how screwed up that system is.


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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Because they wouldn't voluntarily, or willingly, participate.
    You don't give them a choice.

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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You don't give them a choice.
    I would have no problem with this if it was tied to getting public assistance. In other words "we will give you a job if you can't get one, it might be ****ty, but its a job and you can eat"

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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You don't give them a choice.
    uh...

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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I would have no problem with this if it was tied to getting public assistance. In other words "we will give you a job if you can't get one, it might be ****ty, but its a job and you can eat"
    That's exactly what I am saying except make it a supervised and communal. Tell them, you work on public works projects, you get three squares a day, R&R time, health care, shelter, job training and somewhat of a normal life. AND, we will put x amount aside for you so that when you leave the camp you will have something to start out right with.

    Don't commit to this program and you can go in the general population of the closest prison for vagrancy, squatting, loitering, etc.

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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Uhhh, there's nothing in that document that bars prison sentences for all the crimes that come along with homelessness.

    Thanks for playing though.

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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's exactly what I am saying except make it a supervised and communal. Tell them, you work on public works projects, you get three squares a day, R&R time, health care, shelter, job training and somewhat of a normal life. AND, we will put x amount aside for you so that when you leave the camp you will have something to start out right with.

    Don't commit to this program and you can go in the general population of the closest prison for vagrancy, squatting, loitering, etc.
    I think whatever such a program is, it has to be like living on a minimum wage job or whatever the lowest rung is on the private sector.

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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    I shall be stupid now.

    Can't they just go join the Peace Corp?

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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Thanks for the grammar correction, I am glad you got the idea anyway. And yes the states are indeed responsible, however in many cases there are grants for some services. When these things get reduced, it forces many, more severe cuts at the state level.

    My position is neither liberal, nor conservative when it concerns Mental Health. See, a few years ago, I had to deal with Mental health issues of two of my immediate family members, and got a real education on how screwed up that system is.
    It's a horribly f'ed up system that is nearly impossible to navigate without really, really good health insurance. However, your position is liberal on this issue, but that's a good thing. It shows you see a role for government in some services, i.e., you have a heart. People don't choose to be mentally ill, and it is incredibly debilitating. I do see a role for government to provide help to people who are incapacitated. I get tired of taking care of people who are completely able-bodied and choose not to help themselves.
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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's exactly what I am saying except make it a supervised and communal. Tell them, you work on public works projects, you get three squares a day, R&R time, health care, shelter, job training and somewhat of a normal life. AND, we will put x amount aside for you so that when you leave the camp you will have something to start out right with.

    Don't commit to this program and you can go in the general population of the closest prison for vagrancy, squatting, loitering, etc.
    People aren't usually sentenced to prison for vagrancy, squatting, loitering, etc., because those are low-level offenses. And we can't house all of our felony offenders at present. At the most, they might be ordered onto probation, but most generally, they are charged in a city court somewhere, and ordered to pay a fine, which they never pay, and then they migrate elsewhere.

    Longterm homelessness is very difficult because especially with dual diagnosis (substance addiction + mental health issues), the person doesn't WANT to be rehabilitated, they don't WANT to get clean (they are self-medicating for a reason), and it's very difficult for people to succeed in treatment if they aren't motivated to change.

    It's a very sad and challenging problem that is a lot more complicated than most people think it is. It's not just a matter of housing and feeding these people, many are severely mentally ill and probably will never function well in the mainstream, and we don't institutionalize people anymore for the most part. But, a lot of longterm homeless people probably SHOULD be institutionalized, for their own safety, and for the safety of other people.
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