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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Redding is one of the hottest places in California in the summer, as temps climb into the 110-115 range most every summer. Evicting the homeless from a camp set up in a shady spot will just drive them to seek cool temps elsewhere, and so instead of one camp where their population is concentrated, they will be scattered.

    I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve here, since all they are doing is making it more likely the average citizen will be affected rather than less. The article didn't say whether they are on public or private property, but if they are on public property, evicting them will only increase the likelihood they will infringe upon private.
    It's hard to figure out what you suggest should be done. Is it your opinion that people should be allowed to squat, wherever they wish, on public or private land? Also, clusters of these kinds of shantytowns tend to lead to concentrated levels of crime. The more humans, the more reasons for criminal behavior. The more widely dispersed people are, the less opportunities and incentives there are to commit crimes.
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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's hard to figure out what you suggest should be done. Is it your opinion that people should be allowed to squat, wherever they wish, on public or private land? Also, clusters of these kinds of shantytowns tend to lead to concentrated levels of crime. The more humans, the more reasons for criminal behavior. The more widely dispersed people are, the less opportunities and incentives there are to commit crimes.
    It's hard to figure out because I did not suggest any solution.

    THe only true solution would involve a comprehensive societal approach towards the subject, especially in regards to mental health screening, and drug and alcohol care, and even then it isn't an actual solution since homelessness could never be eliminated altogether.

    As to driving them from public land and on to private, as one who has had to deal with the issue at MY place of business, I don't exactly support your notion of dispersing them. Perhaps if you were affected, personally, you would not support such moves.
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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It's hard to figure out because I did not suggest any solution.

    THe only true solution would involve a comprehensive societal approach towards the subject, especially in regards to mental health screening, and drug and alchahol care, and even then it isn't an actual solution since homelessness could never be eliminated altogether.

    As to driving them from public land and on to private, as one who has had to deal with the issue at MY place of business, I don't exactly support your notion of dispersing them. Perhaps if you were affected, personally, you would not support such moves.
    For some reason, you seem to have the mistaken impression that I'm some kind of pretty princess who lives in a mansion in beverly hills, rather than a full-time working single mother who lives in a moderate house and sees all kinds of social issues all day long, both at home, and at work.

    To set the recordc straight, there have been many instances of homeless people camping in the woods near my son's former elementary school, which is a mile from my house. Probably the only reason they don't camp in the woods near my house is that they are owned by local, heavily-armed rednecks, and directly proximate to a lake that is full of large alligators.

    You have no idea what I have to deal with.

    But, I'd rather have 1 homeless person camping near my son's school than 20.

    Your theory posits that it's better to force 10% of the community to deal with 90% of the homeless population, rather than 90% of the community to deal with 10%. That's absurd.

    To get some historical perspective, how has concentrating large numbers of poor and socially dysfunctional people together in housing projects worked out for us? The lack of success with that approach is why housing projects have mostly been torn down, in favor of single family housing and expanded use of section 8 benefits that disburse these folks over a wider section of the community.

    I'd suggest that we'd probably have more political will to deal with homelessness if 90% of the community wasn't being completely sheltered from the problems that go along with it: public urination, theft, loitering, intimidation, public intoxication, etc.
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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    For some reason, you seem to have the mistaken impression that I'm some kind of pretty princess who lives in a mansion in beverly hills, rather than a full-time working single mother who lives in a moderate house and sees all kinds of social issues all day long, both at home, and at work.
    You certainly have a talent for taking something and running with it until unrecognizeable. Why you would try to characterize me as having said this is beyond me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    To set the recordc straight, there have been many instances of homeless people camping in the woods near my son's former elementary school, which is a mile from my house. Probably the only reason they don't camp in the woods near my house is that they are owned by local, heavily-armed rednecks, and directly proximate to a lake that is full of large alligators.
    Common sense would dictate that a camp near a shool should be broken up for community safety. THe homeless camp in redding was not near a school, however.



    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post

    Your theory posits that it's better to force 10% of the community to deal with 90% of the homeless population, rather than 90% of the community to deal with 10%. That's absurd.
    Well, since I did not advance that theory, you really don't have much, do you? I simply laid out the repercussions involved in dispersing them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    To get some historical perspective, how has concentrating large numbers of poor and socially dysfunctional people together in housing projects worked out for us? The lack of success with that approach is why housing projects have mostly been torn down, in favor of single family housing and expanded use of section 8 benefits that disburse these folks over a wider section of the community.
    and I support such an approach that deals with these people, especially in regards to housing. It is the dispersal WITHOUT any such plan that bothers me, since it doesn't deal withhe problem, but just shifts it around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'd suggest that we'd probably have more political will to deal with homelessness if 90% of the community wasn't being completely sheltered from the problems that go along with it: public urination, theft, loitering, intimidation, public intoxication, etc.
    As I have said, I have had to deal with it, including urination, vandalism and theft.
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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You certainly have a talent for taking something and running with it until unrecognizeable. Why you would try to characterize me as having said this is beyond me.
    It's probably related to the snarky little comment that you made about me not being affected by this personally. Why don't you start taking responsibility for your own posts?

    Common sense would dictate that a camp near a shool should be broken up for community safety. THe homeless camp in redding was not near a school, however.
    Nonetheless, it was a site of violent criminal activity. If the group were capable of self-management, they might not be in this quandary.


    Well, since I did not advance that theory, you really don't have much, do you? I simply laid out the repercussions involved in dispersing them.
    And I laid out the reasons for dispersing them, based upon history.

    and I support such an approach that deals with these people, especially in regards to housing. It is the dispersal WITHOUT any such plan that bothers me, since it doesn't deal withhe problem, but just shifts it around.
    Whose responsibility is it to house people? Ultimately, it is theirs.

    As I have said, I have had to deal with it, including urination, vandalism and theft.
    Then you should consider my points.

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    Re: Homeless to be Evicted from Redding California Tent City

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I'm not sure you read the whole article. It's much more than stable housing..



    That's right. A timeline. And measurable goals. Do you not see these as siginficant breakthroughs in stamping out homelessness?
    yes, it is a lot more than stable housing. A timeline and measurable goals?

    Surely, that post is meant as satire.

    I could write a timeline and measurable goals to the objective of perfecting cold fusion within the next decade, too. I'd be blowing smoke, just like Obama is.
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