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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, this is just a fact. You cannot discover factual information through opinion. A majority can be and often is wrong. It worrys me that you don't know this.

    It doesn't keep you up nights does it? Look, I am a truck driver, you're a community collage teaching assistant, neither of us is going to solve the worlds problems single handedly. However, we both have our opinions, and it is purely stunning to me that you can sit there and type assumptions about how my opinion is formed knowing virtually nothing about me other than what you know of me here in cyber space. Now the same could be said of what I know of you as well, but, wouldn't that cancel out both of our assumptions? Bottom line is you need not worry that someone doesn't think exactly like you do so the world is doomed, or that those that have differing opinions are somehow less informed, or less caring about this country's course than you. That is sophistry. What makes this country work is the differing opinions, and approaches even though those held by liberals are severely damaging, and horrific for the country long term, we need that to remind us of what is right....So never change Joe, you are a shinning example.


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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, they asked, and we have to accept they are truthful and there are no other variables. We can't really consider that fact.
    There's no reason to lie about it.

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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Not humongous???

    This chart is useless for the point at hand. This chart is support for someone's attempt to show that the deficits under Obama are Bush's fault. It has nothing to do with with whether or not the tax cuts were "humongous." It has to do with someone's desire to blame things on Bush. (And besides, WHO compiled it, and what methodology did they use? This looks like a joke.)

    Point of fact, of the various marginal rates which were reduced by the Bush tax cuts, they ran from a reduction of 2% to a reduction of 3.6% at the top brackets. 3.6% is "humongous"?

    No, "humongous" is dropping from 91% to 65% (JFK) or 65% to 50% then to 29% (Reagan). Dropping from 38.6% to 35% (Bush)? Slight change.
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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    How do you know if they were due to the tax cuts?
    I never said they were.

    You said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Show me where these humongous cuts to the wealthy have affected jobs. The trickle down has not seemed to work one iota.
    Correlation never implies causality, but it never excludes it, either. In the face of job growth, how do you make such a declarative statement?


    These people don't seem to think they helped much:
    1) These are figures from sometime in 2005. There was much story left to be told.

    2) They never bothered to check to see if the jobs actually created were indeed the ones claimed to have been created in the sources they cite. If they're correct, all the jobs created were in defense or in support. That's plainly not what actually happened.
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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    There's no reason to lie about it.
    Are you sure? My wife always says she wants more hours, but she really doesn't. Again, I don't dispute that too many are underemployed, and only state that I would prefer a better source. Polls have limitations, nothing more than that.

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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It doesn't keep you up nights does it? Look, I am a truck driver, you're a community collage teaching assistant, neither of us is going to solve the worlds problems single handedly. However, we both have our opinions, and it is purely stunning to me that you can sit there and type assumptions about how my opinion is formed knowing virtually nothing about me other than what you know of me here in cyber space. Now the same could be said of what I know of you as well, but, wouldn't that cancel out both of our assumptions? Bottom line is you need not worry that someone doesn't think exactly like you do so the world is doomed, or that those that have differing opinions are somehow less informed, or less caring about this country's course than you. That is sophistry. What makes this country work is the differing opinions, and approaches even though those held by liberals are severely damaging, and horrific for the country long term, we need that to remind us of what is right....So never change Joe, you are a shinning example.


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    Ummm, you didn't get my job right. Just thought you should know.


    And J, I do have a pretty good feel for you. How many years have we been conversing? You clearly buy into the "liberal" nonsense magazines like The American (non) Thinker put out. You spew it constantly. You're free to do so, and I'm free not to think much of it. Such is the nature of things.

    But, more importantly, you cannot decide factual thinks buy polling, by opinion. This is important.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Are you sure? My wife always says she wants more hours, but she really doesn't.
    Hmmm.....And everyone is like your wife?


    Again, I don't dispute that too many are underemployed, and only state that I would prefer a better source.

    And what figures would you like to see? Lay it out Joe instead of tap dancing around leaving yourself these ambiguous outs to use later to shift position. State something equivocally for a change.

    Polls have limitations, nothing more than that.
    So do opinions Joe, yours is no different.


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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Ummm, you didn't get my job right. Just thought you should know.


    And J, I do have a pretty good feel for you. How many years have we been conversing? You clearly buy into the "liberal" nonsense magazines like The American (non) Thinker put out. You spew it constantly. You're free to do so, and I'm free not to think much of it. Such is the nature of things.

    But, more importantly, you cannot decide factual thinks buy polling, by opinion. This is important.
    Again never change Joe.....


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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmm.....And everyone is like your wife?
    Of course not. You miss the point. The fact is we can't know how many are or aren't. We simply cannot know.





    And what figures would you like to see? Lay it out Joe instead of tap dancing around leaving yourself these ambiguous outs to use later to shift position. State something equivocally for a change.
    J, something not dependent on the trutfulness of respondents. Something measurable, verifiable. Why do you think this is controvestial?

    So do opinions Joe, yours is no different.


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    Agreed, opions have limitations. That's exactly what I've been trying to tell you.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Again never change Joe.....


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    We all change.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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