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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    But lets assume the specific institution has a bias lean; does that automatically relieve you from explaining to all of us the inaccuracies of MG's source? To be honest, i think you are just blowing hot air. If you could explain the shortcoming, you would have done so already.

    As most liberals will tell you, it is not up to me to prove a negative. MG posted that biased tripe, and approaches the debate with the same "Bush did it" mentality that is currently a losing card for liberals in this country. If MG wants to make the assertion that he so willingly used biased sources to make it, then let him back that up. Then I'll show where he is wrong. But for you to want me to spend endless hours debunking, and spinning my wheels, only to in the end have you dismiss what I work on, or better yet not even reply further, my answer is no thanks, find someone else to use that tactic on.


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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The EPI? Really? Nothing more biased out there? Economic Policy Institute is a well known biased org.


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    Bias doesn't matter. Accuracy does. You don't have to prove a negative. I would never ask youto do that. But I see nothing inaccurate with this source. Do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Bias doesn't matter. Accuracy does. You don't have to prove a negative. I would never ask youto do that. But I see nothing inaccurate with this source. Do you?

    Yes, well, let me be clear. In their numbers I wouldn't know without some real digging, but in their premise? Absolutely. They start out with their conclusion, then seek to prove that by comparing apples to Ice Cream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, well, let me be clear. In their numbers I wouldn't know without some real digging, but in their premise? Absolutely. They start out with their conclusion, then seek to prove that by comparing apples to Ice Cream.

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    Fair enough, but you can accept the numbers and argue the premise. I see no problem with that.

    That said, how many things do you present that does just what you complain about here? When has the American (non)thinker ever not started out with a conclusion?

    However, I just want it clear that accuracy matters and not bias. If accurate, we can take the information and seek our own conclusions. if inaccurate, it needs to be thrown out. And any source that has a history of being inaccurate, like NRO and Beck or Moveon.org or Oberman, need to be avoided fromt he start. Accuracy is the standard. Bias is just whining.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Please tell me what is wrong with the info I posted. What info is fatually incorrect?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Please tell me what is wrong with the info I posted. What info is fatually incorrect?
    Are you asking me or j? I certainly am not arguing any of it is factually incorrect.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Fair enough, but you can accept the numbers and argue the premise. I see no problem with that.
    The numbers are what they are. To compare private sector job growth to Defense spending is asinine in the maximum. It takes the reader of that tripe for stupid.


    That said, how many things do you present that does just what you complain about here? When has the American (non)thinker ever not started out with a conclusion?

    I haven't used an Am Thinker article for quite some time. When was the last time you saw me use it? Oh, and BTW, again apples to dump trucks. When I do use the opinions of conservative writers in the Am Thinker, it is always in an opinion section, whether here, or any of the other forums we battle on Joe, and you have never proven them "wrong" per se, just that you hold different opinions, so don't try and hold me to standards you have no intention on holding yourself to.

    However, I just want it clear that accuracy matters and not bias. If accurate, we can take the information and seek our own conclusions. if inaccurate, it needs to be thrown out. And any source that has a history of being inaccurate, like NRO and Beck or Moveon.org or Oberman, need to be avoided fromt he start. Accuracy is the standard. Bias is just whining.
    Not at all, it has never mattered to liberals, accuracy that is. The only thing that does matter are the ends. I noticed that you left out this EPI trash from your list. Bias is not whining, it is a fact, and a sad one that we have let skew our information.


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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The numbers are what they are. To compare private sector job growth to Defense spending is asinine in the maximum. It takes the reader of that tripe for stupid.
    Not sure I agee with you on that. But, that is an argument you can make.


    I haven't used an Am Thinker article for quite some time. When was the last time you saw me use it? Oh, and BTW, again apples to dump trucks. When I do use the opinions of conservative writers in the Am Thinker, it is always in an opinion section, whether here, or any of the other forums we battle on Joe, and you have never proven them "wrong" per se, just that you hold different opinions, so don't try and hold me to standards you have no intention on holding yourself to.
    Good for you. I would have never used one, but glad to hear you haven't. And opinions that work the absurd are hardly worth presenting. Anything so mired in inarate and fowl garbage is not conducive to any real discussion, which is why I never engage it.


    Not at all, it has never mattered to liberals, accuracy that is. The only thing that does matter are the ends. I noticed that you left out this EPI trash from your list. Bias is not whining, it is a fact, and a sad one that we have let skew our information.


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    J, this is more of YOUR inaccurate bias. There are liberals and conservatives to which accuracy matters, and liberals and conservative to which accuracy doesn't matter. Any other claim is just silly.

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    Re: US Job Market Loses Steam

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Actually I'd say the important part is the total jobs. Government employees still spend their salaries on things, so it's not like a $50k/year government job is somehow by default putting less into the economy than a $50k/year private sector job.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I never said anything otherwise.
    And yet the theme of this thread is to continuously denounce any and all efforts the government (President) is making to improve the economy even if it means creating temporary state & federal government jobs.

    Look, I'll be the first to admit that IMO the President and his economic advisors made a big mistake in proclaiming in February 2009 that the unemployment rate would not increase. He's been hounded by that proclaimation ever since. But I try to look at the other side of that issue...

    Unemployment hasn't increased either, and so far the economy hasn't gotten any worse. Therefore, there must be something the man's doing right if all the country has lost were the temporary Census workers who we all know we'd lose anyway. Now, granted private sector jobs haven't come back in the numbers we'd all like to see, but the 71,000 private sector jobs that were created should be hailed as a positive, not a negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure I agee with you on that. But, that is an argument you can make.
    Thanks for your permission, not that I need it.


    Good for you. I would have never used one, but glad to hear you haven't. And opinions that work the absurd are hardly worth presenting. Anything so mired in inarate and fowl garbage is not conducive to any real discussion, which is why I never engage it.
    Oh yeah. You have never used Media Matters, or any related or like progressive site to make your liberal points?


    J, this is more of YOUR inaccurate bias. There are liberals and conservatives to which accuracy matters, and liberla and conservative to which accuracy doesn't matter. Any other claim is just silly.
    Nonsense, this is just more of your usual dimissal M.O. Allinsky tactic that is worn out. Find a new shtick Prof.


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