Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 25

Thread: Senate Approves $600M for Border Security

  1. #11
    Every day I'm hustlin'..
    Lerxst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Nationwide...
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    15,400

    Re: Senate Approves $600M for Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The issue with this is based on demographics. If one state is more "in tune" to weak border security, it diminishes the effectiveness in other states. It is the federal governments job to secure national borders as it pertains primarily to national defense and interstate commerce.
    I think he was referring to my comment regarding federal dollars going back to local jurisdictions on the border so that they could use the money to fund the local effort. To the tune that if the feds took less from the state, the state could purchase the items themselves...sort of cutting out the federal middle man. The upside being the state uses the money the way they see fit and you lose the federal leech.
    Last edited by Lerxst; 08-06-10 at 11:09 PM.
    *insert profound statement here*

  2. #12
    Every day I'm hustlin'..
    Lerxst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Nationwide...
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    15,400

    Re: Senate Approves $600M for Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    1,000 new border patrol agents=$10 million for support; $166 million for the 1,000 agents = $166,000 per agent.
    500 new customs agents and immigration personnel = $178,000 per agent.

    Can I have one of those jobs, pullleeeeze???
    Those are multi year jobs with full benefits and the cost of training and equipping the agents. It's probably a 50K a year job at best.
    *insert profound statement here*

  3. #13
    blond bombshell

    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    uk
    Last Seen
    10-19-12 @ 11:03 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    4,729

    Re: Senate Approves $600M for Border Security

    I would imagine the net result of that spending will be no change at all.
    The third-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the majority. The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority. The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking.

  4. #14
    Professor

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    North Dakota
    Last Seen
    09-02-17 @ 08:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    2,357

    Re: Senate Approves $600M for Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Until they build a big ass wall, this is really just a waste of money (considering the objective).
    It has many of the same effects as building a wall, though maybe not as cost effective. Stricter enforcement makes illegal immigrants utilize more remote areas to enter the us, as well as utilize smugglers more often. This makes it more expensive for illegal immigrants to enter the US. A side effect however could be an increase in violent crime, since proffesional smugglers will be used more often.

  5. #15
    I'm not-low all the time
    Kushinator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    West Loop
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:09 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    16,254

    Re: Senate Approves $600M for Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I think he was referring to my comment regarding federal dollars going back to local jurisdictions on the border so that they could use the money to fund the local effort. To the tune that if the feds took less from the state, the state could purchase the items themselves...sort of cutting out the federal middle man. The upside being the state uses the money the way they see fit and you lose the federal leech.
    My concern is, what if the state uses the extra cash to fund other projects? Being that border states are heavily concentrated (relatively) with "pilgrims", there desire to secure the borders can greatly diminish.

    For example, amnesty is more popular in California than say Michigan.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

  6. #16
    Every day I'm hustlin'..
    Lerxst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Nationwide...
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    15,400

    Re: Senate Approves $600M for Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    My concern is, what if the state uses the extra cash to fund other projects? Being that border states are heavily concentrated (relatively) with "pilgrims", there desire to secure the borders can greatly diminish.

    For example, amnesty is more popular in California than say Michigan.
    That is a good point. As political winds change so could the desire to secure the border and address illegal immigration. And certainly the proximity to the border and the ethnic concentrations in certain states make a realistic difference in their positions on the issues. But look at Arizona. They are in relatively the same position as California yet they have a completely different outlook.
    *insert profound statement here*

  7. #17
    Guru

    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Last Seen
    05-13-11 @ 09:01 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    4,075
    Blog Entries
    3

    Re: Senate Approves $600M for Border Security

    In the US we have a DECLINING birth rate, probably there are many reasons why this is so, someone else may care to promote those.
    The only sections of the population with birth increases are African Americans/Hispanics/Chinese/Immigrants in general.

  8. #18
    Professor

    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Nashville, TN
    Last Seen
    11-21-14 @ 03:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    2,120

    Re: Senate Approves $600M for Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    My concern is, what if the state uses the extra cash to fund other projects? Being that border states are heavily concentrated (relatively) with "pilgrims", there desire to secure the borders can greatly diminish.

    For example, amnesty is more popular in California than say Michigan.
    And walls are largely unpopular in cities where they see co-existence as normal. Even more unpopular on the Canadian border.

  9. #19
    Global Moderator
    The Hammer of Chaos
    Goshin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Dixie
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:40 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,157

    Re: Senate Approves $600M for Border Security

    Oh boy, 600 million.

    What was it we sent to Africa to combat AIDS? Ten Billion?

    How much is the debt this year, mostly because of social spending? A Trillion, isn't it?

    Yeah, 600 mil, whoo-wee....


    Pardon me. I've been contemplating our debt while we argue about whether people on food stamps should be allowed to buy soda...

    Fiddling While Rome Burns
    ISIS: Carthago Delenda Est
    "I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."

  10. #20
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 09:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,067

    Re: Senate Approves $600M for Border Security

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    1,000 new border patrol agents=$10 million for support; $166 million for the 1,000 agents = $166,000 per agent.
    500 new customs agents and immigration personnel = $178,000 per agent.

    Can I have one of those jobs, pullleeeeze???
    I hope those are boots(or what ever border agents wear) on the ground instead of paper pushers and administrative jobs. When it comes to illegal immigration pro-illegals tend to spend money to achieve nothing nothing in order to give the appearance that something is being done. For example the national guard troops on the border. On the surface it sounds like a good thing. But when you realize that they have no authority to arrest,detain or prevent illegal crossing and can only put up fence and act as spotters for the border patrol. You realize that the national guard are doing the same **** the minutemen were already doing for free. In other-words the NG on the border are nothing more than paid minutemen.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •