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    Hearing set for soldier in Obama birth certificate case

    (CNN) -- A court hearing is scheduled for Friday in the case of an Army officer who has refused to deploy to Afghanistan because, in his view, President Obama has not proved that he was born in the United States and is therefore ineligible to be president.
    Give this birther a dishonorable discharge, and kick his ass out. This nutcase needs to be shown the door.

    Not only has Obama shown his birth certificate, but 2 newspapers printed his birth in Hawaii the day he was born, and Republican Governor Linda Lingle herself certified Obama's birth certificate as legitimate.

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    Finally, let me rub in in the birthers' faces just a little more:

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    Re: Hearing set for soldier in Obama birth certificate case

    All that "evidence" just shows how sneaky this liberal progressive communist socialist muslim plot is.

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    Re: Hearing set for soldier in Obama birth certificate case

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Give this birther a dishonorable discharge, and kick his ass out. This nutcase needs to be shown the door.

    Not only has Obama shown his birth certificate, but 2 newspapers printed his birth in Hawaii the day he was born, and Republican Governor Linda Lingle herself certified Obama's birth certificate as legitimate.

    Article is here
    .

    Finally, let me rub in in the birthers' faces just a little more:

    Seeing how this man is a commissioned officer his punishment for refusing a lawful order should be more severe than that of an enlisted man who refused to obey a lawful order. Someone of his ranks sets the examples that lower ranking men should be following. A dishonorable discharge is too lenient.
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    Re: Hearing set for soldier in Obama birth certificate case

    I will be the first to say that I don't like or agree with our President. That said, I hope they throw the book at this joker. He made the choice to sign on the dotted line and volunteer to serve his country. His refusal to deploy is NOT a political statement, it is pure disrespect to anyone else wearing the uniform that DID ship out when ordered.

    I'm not here to argue for or against the birther case. In fact, if he had wanted to write a letter of protest on the same grounds, that would have been perfectly acceptable, in my opinion, but refusal to do his duty is pure cowardice and a poor example of our armed forces.
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    Re: Hearing set for soldier in Obama birth certificate case

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Give this birther a dishonorable discharge, and kick his ass out. This nutcase needs to be shown the door.

    Not only has Obama shown his birth certificate, but 2 newspapers printed his birth in Hawaii the day he was born, and Republican Governor Linda Lingle herself certified Obama's birth certificate as legitimate.

    Article is here
    .

    Finally, let me rub in in the birthers' faces just a little more:

    With, or without a trial? No time, nor need for a trial, huh? He questioned The One and that's all the proof of wrong doing we need.

    I agree, that if this officer refused to deploy, simply because he doesn't think Obama is a natural born American citizen, then yeah, he needs to get the book thrown at him...buuuuuut, I'm going to play devil's advocate for a while on this one. Have an open mind and bear with me.

    What if this officer filed an Article 138 complaint and it was never addresssed? It would mean that one his most powerful and most important rights, as a service member, was violated. Then, he could argue in court that his rights--as guaranteed by the UCMJ--were violated, therefore he had no obligation to deploy. yeah, it's a weak argument, but how is his chain of command going to explain to the American people--as well as to their commands--that they didn't have the balls to address an Article 138 complaint, simply because the grevience was filed against the president? I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a part of that chain when that turd came rolling down the hill.




    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how this man is a commissioned officer his punishment for refusing a lawful order should be more severe than that of an enlisted man who refused to obey a lawful order. Someone of his ranks sets the examples that lower ranking men should be following. A dishonorable discharge is too lenient.
    It doesn't work that way. The UCMJ is blind, as to rank, when it comes to sentencing. And, if he was treated differently than any other soldier, he would have grounds for another Article 138 because trial and sentencing are:

    Arbitrary, capricious, or an abuse of discretion, or
    Clearly unfair (e.g., selective application of standards).
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    Re: Hearing set for soldier in Obama birth certificate case

    If he had submitted a 138, it would already have been handled. In this case it would be a fairly simple one to handle, or at least as simple as they get.
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    Re: Hearing set for soldier in Obama birth certificate case

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It doesn't work that way. The UCMJ is blind, as to rank, when it comes to sentencing. And, if he was treated differently than any other soldier, he would have grounds for another Article 138 because trial and sentencing are:
    The UCMJ is not blind to rank when it comes to sentencing or in any other manner, including determination of guilt or innocence.

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    Re: Hearing set for soldier in Obama birth certificate case

    Can you imagine if a hearing had been set on whether or not the Bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks? We'd never stop hearing about how open and honest the Bush administration is. But you keep showing people evidence that Obama is in fact a natural born citizen of the U.S. and the lunatics proposing it get a hearing? That buffoon of a YouTube celebrity whore should be laughed out of court if he doesn't wear a tinfoil hat and a red nose. What's next? A hearing on how we never went to the moon?
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    Re: Hearing set for soldier in Obama birth certificate case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can you imagine if a hearing had been set on whether or not the Bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks? We'd never stop hearing about how open and honest the Bush administration is.

    Your scenario would never happen. A couple of things would happen.

    First the Bush administration would get hell for catering to a bunch of idiotic tin foil hat wearing retarded douche bags, Or everyone talks about how Bush is an idiot for catering to be a bunch of idiotic tin foil hat wearing retarded douche bags. (usually these tards want the government to investigate 9-11 to see if the goberment had something to do with 9-11.)

    Second, this would probably be the only time the idiotic tin foil hat wearing retarded douche bags would probably understand why their logic of trusting the same people and institution they are accusing of treason and mass murder to hold a impartial hearing is completely illogical.It would be like asking a rape suspect to act as a prosecutor in his own trial if these wackos really believe the government committed treason and mass murder and the want the government to hold trials in whether or not it had something to do with 9-11.
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    Re: Hearing set for soldier in Obama birth certificate case

    I just wanted to post in this thread. This guy is not a real Lt. Col. in that he doesn't command troops, he's a doctor. I would be surprised if someone of Col. rank that commanded all those troops would have this viewpoint. And depending on how you look at it, he's a doctor of osteopathy, which is complementary medicine or healing medicine, so if you consider it you could also say he's not a real doctor. He does have awards though, but it's surprising someone would take this position.

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