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    Re: Parents Lose Custody of Hitler

    I don't really buy the stated reasons for why the kids were taken away. The naming controversy is at the heart of this. Being a racist, neo-nazi asshole is not a psychological illness, but freedom of speech.

    There are legitimate reasons for taking children away from their families but I find they are rare. Child services has too much power in our society.

    As for reproductive rights... yeah, I agree that some people should not be parents, but I can't think of any kind of legal wording that could create a reasonable law, and if I could, I wouldn't want the government controlling who can have kids.

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    Re: Parents Lose Custody of Hitler

    Sorry I know its horrible but when I read the names I was about in tears. There is crazy, and then there is bat**** insane.

    But yeah, I think eventually we need to come up with a test to determine if people will be good parents or not, how you would do that I dunno, but some parents I just want to smack the **** out of.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Parents Lose Custody of Hitler

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yup, and I should set the standards too. But it's not that way and you can't actually legislate against reproduction in that manner. While there are people who shouldn't reproduce (I call them business majors), there's nothing we can justly do about it.
    Say's who?

    The problem with this subject matter is that people associate responsible legislation to fascism. If we are to reach this "utopian" dream world people, especially the Left, have dreamed up, it takes dealing with the offender of good morality first. And these parents are of low morality. Of course, dealing with the offenders means more than a stern talking to, so leftists are usually stuck bitching and complaining about everything instead of actually being of use.

    We can justly do anything. We just have to be bold enough to do what is right without turning into Nazis. It's our negativity and low expectation of humanity that has us afraid to even try.
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    Re: Parents Lose Custody of Hitler

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I agree. THere is a second article linked to the first one that states that the kids were abused/neglected, and that the petition to remove them from custody did not include their names. I'm cool with them being taken out of this home based upon that.
    I don't know enough about this case to make a real decision, but from what I read the court is full of ****. They claim that the parents have "unspecified physical or mental disabilities." To me that means that the appeals court thinks they're crazy racists. But there is no law against crazy racists having kids. Has this three year old come to any harm do to his name? I doubt it. If that were the only reason this ruling is completely wrong.

    It looks like the only evidence the court has is a note from the mother that she said was a "lie." I'm thinking she's only saying it's a lie now so she can keep her kids though.
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    Re: Parents Lose Custody of Hitler

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It's our negativity and low expectation of humanity that has us afraid to even try.
    My faith in humanity in general is higher than my faith in government and politicians. Most people out there are just trying to live their lives from day to day and aren't involved in politics. They generally keep to themselves and just want to do good by their families and friends.

    The idea of needing a permit or license to have a kid is not a world I want to be part of. I agree that we can do pretty much anything we want to. I see no reason or ability to limit reproductive rights in a way that is fair to everyone, and I don't trust government to ever implement such measures. The only time I would favor reproductive laws is if my nation's population numbers are reaching crisis levels and a reduction is necessary in order to restore some modicum of a living standard.

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    Re: Parents Lose Custody of Hitler

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    My faith in humanity in general is higher than my faith in government and politicians. Most people out there are just trying to live their lives from day to day and aren't involved in politics. They generally keep to themselves and just want to do good by their families and friends.
    Well that is certainly true. Howevre, it doesn't stop there like we would like it. Doing good by their families mean providing for them. And unless trades and certain agreements are kept between governments, they fail.


    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The idea of needing a permit or license to have a kid is not a world I want to be part of. I agree that we can do pretty much anything we want to. I see no reason or ability to limit reproductive rights in a way that is fair to everyone, and I don't trust government to ever implement such measures. The only time I would favor reproductive laws is if my nation's population numbers are reaching crisis levels and a reduction is necessary in order to restore some modicum of a living standard.
    Well that's small and local. I don't care either way. I just know that pieces of **** are likely to raise of pieces of ****. Why allow the obvious to do it out of fear for being labeled "immoral" by our own inhibited idealistic standards about what we wish they were? Because we are afraid that the smallest "right" decision means that we are Nazi Germany.

    We are weak. And we will remain weak, which only ensures our own social conflicts and international struggles. Why say no to parents who are raising their children to be hateful and full of indoctrinated rage? What harm can it do?
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    Re: Parents Lose Custody of Hitler

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well that is certainly true. Howevre, it doesn't stop there like we would like it. Doing good by their families mean providing for them. And unless trades and certain agreements are kept between governments, they fail.
    I wasn't really referring to economy, but anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well that's small and local. I don't care either way. I just know that pieces of **** are likely to raise of pieces of ****. Why allow the obvious to do it out of fear for being labeled "immoral" by our own inhibited idealistic standards about what we wish they were? Because we are afraid that the smallest "right" decision means that we are Nazi Germany.
    Even though I dislike child services, I would rather they continue to determine who "unfit" parents are and remove already-born children rather than control who has the right to reproduce. I don't think eugenicists really follow through on their desires to control reproduction. How would you prevent people from breeding? Make them wear chastity belts?

    It's no better than the anti-choice movement that wants women to have no control over aborting their pregnancies. It's just the opposite extreme.

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    Re: Parents Lose Custody of Hitler

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I don't really buy the stated reasons for why the kids were taken away. The naming controversy is at the heart of this. Being a racist, neo-nazi asshole is not a psychological illness, but freedom of speech.

    There are legitimate reasons for taking children away from their families but I find they are rare. Child services has too much power in our society.

    As for reproductive rights... yeah, I agree that some people should not be parents, but I can't think of any kind of legal wording that could create a reasonable law, and if I could, I wouldn't want the government controlling who can have kids.
    I feel the parents should have been required to attend mandatory parenting classes and individual and family counseling in order to regain custody.
    I feel that a child psychologist should sit down with them and talk to them about why such names could psychologically damage and socially cripple their children.
    I think the parents should not regain custody until they give some indication that they understand and care, and that a good way to demonstrate this would be for them to legally change their children's names, on their own dime and of their own initiative..

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    Re: Parents Lose Custody of Hitler

    I don't support the kids being taken away, but I do think the court should force the parents to change the kid's names and to leave the rest of the case to child services.

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    Re: Parents Lose Custody of Hitler

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I don't support the kids being taken away, but I do think the court should force the parents to change the kid's names and to leave the rest of the case to child services.
    Personally I think that anyone who calls their kid Adolph Hitler, probably shouldn't be parents.

    But I think megas argument is the one I'll go with.
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