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Portland lemonade stand runs into health inspectors, needs $120 license to operate

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Dr_Patrick said:
Exactly. It's not as if a license suddenly makes everything a-ok. It was nothing more than idiotic bureaucratic nonsense.
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And for the life of me i dont see why people cant just see it as such. why do we have to rush to invoke the name of Obama or wade in to defend government beauracracy? Sometimes stupid **** is just stupid ****...
 
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samsmart said:
I was being serious.

And I'm not against a kid making some money. And no, I don't think kids should get taxed when they go mow lawns. But I do think it would be helpful to require them, if they're under a certain age, to purchase a cheap business license, about $5, in order to operate. Once they pay that license they should then get a pamphlet that lists any responsibilities they may have in performing their business, if any.

I don't see what's wrong with that. What's wrong with having a kid who is trying to make a profit be made aware of and educated of any laws they may be liable for despite being a child?

If a kid is going to have a lemonade stand, what's wrong with giving her a pamphlet on basic health and safety procedures for preparation of foods and drinks? If a kid is going to mow lawns, what's wrong with giving him a pamphlet on good safety measures, such as proper eye-wear?

Accidents don't care if it's a kid doing this stuff. Litigation doesn't care if it's a kid doing this stuff. What's wrong with requiring a $5 child business license that in the purchase of it will provide educational materials for the child on how to operate whatever they're doing in a manner safe to them as well as their customers?
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ARGGGG..... Why can't kids just be allowed to be kids! I'd hate to be kid these days.
 
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samsmart said:
No, I don't. But then again a roadside lemonade stand may not be the only business a child may try to start in. There are also kids who try to mow lawns for some money. I think the dangers of a child operating a machine designed to turn sharpened blades at high speed is pretty apparent.
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You're acting like kids who sell lemonade or mow lawns will be doing these things all on their own without a parent or gaurdians blessings. Don't parents have any rights anymore when it comes to raising their kids?
Today my parents would have been arrested for half the things they let me do when I was a kid.
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
Oh, so it's Obama's fault because he is creating the job position of overzealous bully bureaucrat? You know, you are probably right. In fact, I'm willing to bet he hired this very person just so they could shut down the lemonade stand. Obama is notorious in his hatred for lemonade stands and sustains himself from the tears of little girls. It's good for the skin.
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Oh such biting sarcasm Pat, I don't think I shall ever recover......give me a break. Both sides have increased government over the past decades, and now is the time we must say enough! To ignore it is foolish IMHO.

j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Oh such biting sarcasm Pat, I don't think I shall ever recover......give me a break. Both sides have increased government over the past decades, and now is the time we must say enough! To ignore it is foolish IMHO.

j-mac
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If both sides are guilty of this, then why focus on Obama?
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
If both sides are guilty of this, then why focus on Obama?
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Because he is the Anti-Christ Muslim Kenyan Marxist Communist Socialist President.
 
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samsmart said:
Which totally explains tobacco companies and Chinese drywall.
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Tobacco companies see a profit, if there is an enough demand to shut them down, then it would have done a long time ago. But the demand of the customers apparently outweigh the risks associated with the health complications from long-term use.

And don't get me started on chinese drywall, it all started with the government putting more restrictions and making production much costlier than normal and with the demand not reaching the amount they hoped to balance the costs, they have to get the production costs cheaper, so they moved to china. And low quality checks in China causes more problems. If the government truly wants to help the drywall industry, stop pushing for those equal pay and start pushing for increased safety inspections of products being imported, that will help drive domestic productions.
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
If both sides are guilty of this, then why focus on Obama?
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Is he, or is he not the current President? Why is it that liberals don't want Obama to get the credit (criticism) for anything during his Presidency? Yet during repub presidencies that is all they do?


j-mac
 
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soccerboy22 said:
Because he is the Anti-Christ Muslim Kenyan Marxist Communist Socialist President.
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Can you show me where I have attached Anti Christ, or kenyan to this man? You'd do yourself a real favor if you wouldn't look like such a shill for Podesta when regurgitating liberal talking points.


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Is he, or is he not the current President? Why is it that liberals don't want Obama to get the credit (criticism) for anything during his Presidency? Yet during repub presidencies that is all they do?


j-mac
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If he screwed up then criticism him, but this isn't on him. This is on the idiots in Portland.
 
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soccerboy22 said:
If he screwed up then criticism him, but this isn't on him. This is on the idiots in Portland.
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Yep it sure is....And in Government doesn't the buck stop at Chairman Maobama's desk? Apparently not, it is deflected to it being "Bush's fault"!!!


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Is he, or is he not the current President? Why is it that liberals don't want Obama to get the credit (criticism) for anything during his Presidency? Yet during repub presidencies that is all they do?


j-mac
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I never said that. What I'm essentially saying is that this story has absolutely nothing to do with liberalism or Obama for that matter. It has to do with a bully bureaucrat who had nothing better to do but shut down a kid's lemonade stand.
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
I never said that. What I'm essentially saying is that this story has absolutely nothing to do with liberalism or Obama for that matter. It has to do with a bully bureaucrat who had nothing better to do but shut down a kid's lemonade stand.
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It absolutely does have to do with today's liberal, or statist if you prefer....Funny how during conservative administrations we never see stories like this isn't it? Why do you suppose that is?


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Can you show me where I have attached Anti Christ, or kenyan to this man? You'd do yourself a real favor if you wouldn't look like such a shill for Podesta when regurgitating liberal talking points.


j-mac
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I never said you said those things about the President. It was a joke so calm down.

j-mac said:
Yep it sure is....And in Government doesn't the buck stop at Chairman Maobama's desk? Apparently not, it is deflected to it being "Bush's fault"!!!


j-mac
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Here just read what Dr. Patrick said. This isn't about it being a liberal or not, but a bully bureaucrat doing something stupid and wrong.

Dr_Patrick said:
I never said that. What I'm essentially saying is that this story has absolutely nothing to do with liberalism or Obama for that matter. It has to do with a bully bureaucrat who had nothing better to do but shut down a kid's lemonade stand.
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j-mac said:
It absolutely does have to do with today's liberal, or statist if you prefer....Funny how during conservative administrations we never see stories like this isn't it? Why do you suppose that is?


j-mac
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Oh, so bureaucratic nonsense like this only happens under Liberal administrations? You obviously don't know a lot about Liberalism.
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
If both sides are guilty of this, then why focus on Obama?
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Because he's just the latest one who's running the country... 9 1/2 years ago, it was all focused on G.W. Bush.
 
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samsmart said:
Which totally explains tobacco companies
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Ya and state intervention has worked real well there, people know that tobacco is bad for them but they use it anyways. The only thing the state has done in regards to the tobacco companies is line their own pockets at the expense of the consumer.

and Chinese drywall.
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lol they have a ****ing planned economy.
 
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samsmart said:
That's right. So if you eat a burger that's been spit on by the cook or if you have some soup that's been peed in by the waiters it's your fault. That's the "common sense" they're promoting here.
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No it's the head chef's/managers/owners fault, but the state inspector is never going to be able to do a god damn thing about it save for steal from the pockets of the business owner who should be using that money to increase wages so he can hire better cooks rather than the guy making minimum wage so he hates his job so he spits on the food, because he doesn't give a **** about losing a minimum wage job.

Now you take the same business and you take the money which is stolen by the state in licensing fees and taxation and use it to reinvest in increased wages and/or survelience cameras, the cook now making $15 an hour will actually start to give a **** and will think twice before he hacks one in the burger.
 
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samsmart said:
No, I don't. But then again a roadside lemonade stand may not be the only business a child may try to start in. There are also kids who try to mow lawns for some money. I think the dangers of a child operating a machine designed to turn sharpened blades at high speed is pretty apparent.
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lmfao, if the kid is to stupid to run a lawn mower then he's to stupid to make it in the world and will probably end up on welfare and it should be left up to natural selection.
 
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samsmart said:
How does paying $5 for a business license prevent someone from learning a valuable lesson while working, or prevent them from developing a good work ethic?
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It's completely unnecessary, it doesn't make any sense, it won't stop people from being stupid.

Let a freaking kid have a lemonade stand without having to get permission from the government, that's what moms and dads are for.
Life isn't about doing everything in the world to make you feel safe because guess what, it's only a feeling and not based in a reality.
 
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I'm going to be one of the few people that DOESN'T start frothing at the mouth when hearing this.

People want to let this slide because she's young, it's a lemonade stand, she wont make much money, etc etc etc.

What people seem to be ignoring is that being young does not protect her or her family from mistakes. There are health regulations on food for a reason and the incidences of food-borne illness in the last century have fallen to a few dozen incidents per year. Most people get bad food poisoning maybe two or three times in their lives as opposed to probably two or three times a month prior to any regulations. At the end of the day, this is still someone selling something that is going to be consumed by the general public, her age and intent shouldn't matter. Should I be allowed to set up a stand on my lawn selling food to passers by for a dollar without any sort of license?

No, it's not very likely there would have been a problem, but if there was it would come down on the girl and her family. Even if the law decided to let it go, someone can still file a civil suit and we are the land of lawyers.

I agree with an aforementioned idea of having a business license geared towards young people starting businesses to help them understand their role in the community and their responsibilities.
 
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Hoplite said:
Should I be allowed to set up a stand on my lawn selling food to passers by for a dollar without any sort of license?
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Yes




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samsmart said:
How does paying $5 for a business license prevent someone from learning a valuable lesson while working, or prevent them from developing a good work ethic?
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Heck, I think she aught to get a license for free if she makes less than $500 or some other small amount and takes a 10 question test about when to wash hands and such. It can easily be done over the internet too. Doing the work would be good for her character.
 
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soccerboy22 said:
Obviously I mean everything is his fault.
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Nah, the buck still stops with Bush.....in Dallas.
 
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Hoplite said:
I'm going to be one of the few people that DOESN'T start frothing at the mouth when hearing this.

People want to let this slide because she's young, it's a lemonade stand, she wont make much money, etc etc etc.

What people seem to be ignoring is that being young does not protect her or her family from mistakes. There are health regulations on food for a reason and the incidences of food-borne illness in the last century have fallen to a few dozen incidents per year. Most people get bad food poisoning maybe two or three times in their lives as opposed to probably two or three times a month prior to any regulations. At the end of the day, this is still someone selling something that is going to be consumed by the general public, her age and intent shouldn't matter. Should I be allowed to set up a stand on my lawn selling food to passers by for a dollar without any sort of license?

No, it's not very likely there would have been a problem, but if there was it would come down on the girl and her family. Even if the law decided to let it go, someone can still file a civil suit and we are the land of lawyers.

I agree with an aforementioned idea of having a business license geared towards young people starting businesses to help them understand their role in the community and their responsibilities.
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You hang on the letter of the law, and not the intent.
 
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