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Portland lemonade stand runs into health inspectors, needs $120 license to operate

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j-mac said:
The "State" is all powerful isn't it?
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I never said that.
 
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samsmart said:
If you will note, I never said that I think this 10-year-old girl running a lemonade stand should undergo inspections. What I said is that she should be required to pay a very small $5 fee to get a general business license for children and be given pamphlets on how to act in a responsible manner that takes her safety and the safety of her customers into account. This way, the government can pursue the public interest, which is the safety and health of the public at large. Should a police officer notice her, he can ask for her child business license as proof that she read those safety precautions. She hands it to him, he sees it, and the government now knows that she can sell to the public with the interests of public safety and health involved. She can go about her business in selling lemonade now.

Should something bad happened, such as she was selling tainted lemons or was using tainted wanted in making the lemonade, the government has a record of her business license they can use to backtrack the effect of it should they need to. This will advance government response time in pursuing an emergency response. There's nothing sinister about this - it's just in case something bad happens, which very well could.

It's not that big of a deal to ask her or her parents to pay $5 for a child's business license so she can sell lemonade in order to educate her on basic business and health and safety practices.
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It is the principle of requiring a child to get a business license.
 
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reefedjib said:
It is the principle of requiring a child to get a business license.
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Who will these liberals find next to extort?


j-mac
 
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reefedjib said:
It is the principle of requiring a child to get a business license.
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Oh, I see. So the principle of requiring a child to get a business license is better than the practicalities of having a way to ensure that child entrepreneurs follow basic health and safety guidelines for her own welfare and the welfare of the public.

It is much too bad that reality and physics lacks the integrity that you have.
 
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samsmart said:
Oh, I see. So the principle of requiring a child to get a business license is better than the practicalities of having a way to ensure that child entrepreneurs follow basic health and safety guidelines for her own welfare and the welfare of the public.

It is much too bad that reality and physics lacks the integrity that you have.
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It is modern socialism. Control the private sector through over regulation by the state. It is very different than what America used to be. It ought to be resisted.
 
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samsmart said:
Oh, I see. So the principle of requiring a child to get a business license is better than the practicalities of having a way to ensure that child entrepreneurs follow basic health and safety guidelines for her own welfare and the welfare of the public.

It is much too bad that reality and physics lacks the integrity that you have.
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Is there anything to suggest that this child was being unsanitary in her practice? From the article in the OP:

The girl worked on a sign, coloring in the letters and decorating it with a drawing of a person saying "Yummy." She made a list of supplies.

Then, with gallons of bottled water and packets of Kool-Aid, they drove up last Thursday with a friend and her daughter. They loaded a wheelbarrow that Julie steered to the corner of Northeast 26th and Alberta and settled into a space between a painter and a couple who sold handmade bags and kids' clothing.

Even before her daughter had finished making the first batch of lemonade, a man walked up to buy a 50-cent cup.

"They wanted to support a little 7-year-old to earn a little extra summer loot," she said. "People know what's going on."

Even so, Julie was careful about making the lemonade, cleaning her hands with hand sanitizer, using a scoop for the bagged ice and keeping everything covered when it wasn't in use, Fife said.
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So the answer would be NO! Try another angle, this one is debunked.


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Is there anything to suggest that this child was being unsanitary in her practice? From the article in the OP:

So the answer would be NO! Try another angle, this one is debunked.
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In this particular case, you're right - she individually was no unsanitary.

However, she's not the only child who will ever sell lemonade in the world. We also have to take them into consideration as well.
 
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samsmart said:
In this particular case, you're right - she individually was no unsanitary.

However, she's not the only child who will ever sell lemonade in the world. We also have to take them into consideration as well.
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Who's "we"? The State? Why can't you liberals leave people alone?

Tell me, How much illness, or deaths are caused each year by these rampant, unwashed 7 year olds running roadside lemonade stands? Got a figure on that?


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Who's "we"? The State? Why can't you liberals leave people alone?

Tell me, How much illness, or deaths are caused each year by these rampant, unwashed 7 year olds running roadside lemonade stands? Got a figure on that?
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No, I don't. But then again a roadside lemonade stand may not be the only business a child may try to start in. There are also kids who try to mow lawns for some money. I think the dangers of a child operating a machine designed to turn sharpened blades at high speed is pretty apparent.
 
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samsmart said:
No, I don't. But then again a roadside lemonade stand may not be the only business a child may try to start in. There are also kids who try to mow lawns for some money. I think the dangers of a child operating a machine designed to turn sharpened blades at high speed is pretty apparent.
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Nanny state. Leave em be.
 
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megaprogman said:
I see both sides on this. I applaud the lemonade stand owner for having some initiative, but on the other hand, nobody knows if this person washed their hands, used clean dishes, etc.
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Nobody know if anyone in any restaurant anywhere, washes their hands or uses clean dishes... no one goes to a restaurant, goes into the back and inspects, tests and verifies ... they "trust" that this occurrs. But as I've said at least twice in this thread (or perhaps other ones), clean hands had nothinng to do with it... the issue was no piece of paper and no payment. Supposedly, many in this thread are making an assumption that a $120 license guarantee's people wash their hands or don't spit in burgers. You are woefully wrong... nor does an up-to-date State Health Inspection certification hanging on your favorite restaurant's wall mean people wash their hands or use clean dishes either.

Little pieces of paper don't mean squat.
 
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reefedjib said:
Nanny state. Leave em be.
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Yeah, because children are entitled to the freedom to run over things, creatures, and people with a machine that spins blades at high speed or to drive into oncoming traffic on a motorized mower without having to know any rules of the road.
 
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Ockham said:
Nobody know if anyone in any restaurant anywhere, washes their hands or uses clean dishes... no one goes to a restaurant, goes into the back and inspects, tests and verifies ... they "trust" that this occurrs. But as I've said at least twice in this thread (or perhaps other ones), clean hands had nothinng to do with it... the issue was no piece of paper and no payment. Supposedly, many in this thread are making an assumption that a $120 license guarantee's people wash their hands or don't spit in burgers. You are woefully wrong... nor does an up-to-date State Health Inspection certification hanging on your favorite restaurant's wall mean people wash their hands or use clean dishes either.

Little pieces of paper don't mean squat.
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Well, you're wrong. People don't go back to inspect such things - the government sends inspectors to do such things, and the people trust those inspectors. And there are flaws with that, I will readily agree with you.

However, it is better to have such a licensing requirement so inspectors can be sent than not having them. The more often a place does unlawful health practices, the more likely an inspector will find out and shut them down. So while it's not perfect, places that are blatantly unsafe about health regulations get shut down while those who do engage in safe practices are allowed to continue operation.
 
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samsmart said:
No, I don't. But then again a roadside lemonade stand may not be the only business a child may try to start in. There are also kids who try to mow lawns for some money. I think the dangers of a child operating a machine designed to turn sharpened blades at high speed is pretty apparent.
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Oh for God's sake! Listen as a boy I used to mow a couple of neighbors lawns for cash so that I could go to the movies and such. As many a young boy has. I also caddy'd for the local country club on the weekends as well. I am sure you see that as child labor. I saw it as my own money! Something I didn't have to ask mom and dad for. And it taught me a valuable lesson, something today's kids are lacking because of thinking like yours, and that is work ethic.

j-mac
 
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samsmart said:
Yeah, because children are entitled to the freedom to run over things, creatures, and people with a machine that spins blades at high speed or to drive into oncoming traffic on a motorized mower without having to know any rules of the road.
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Don't you see the flaw in your thinking here? Really?


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Oh for God's sake! Listen as a boy I used to mow a couple of neighbors lawns for cash so that I could go to the movies and such. As many a young boy has. I also caddy'd for the local country club on the weekends as well. I am sure you see that as child labor. I saw it as my own money! Something I didn't have to ask mom and dad for. And it taught me a valuable lesson, something today's kids are lacking because of thinking like yours, and that is work ethic.
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How does paying $5 for a business license prevent someone from learning a valuable lesson while working, or prevent them from developing a good work ethic?
 
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j-mac said:
Don't you see the flaw in your thinking here? Really?
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I think any flaw in my thinking is about on par with the flaws in your thinking that saying requiring children to get a $5 business license to operate is evidence of an authoritarian nanny-state intent on stealing their money via overreaching taxes.
 
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This entire issue is due to idiotic bureaucracy, not Liberalism. The child's lemonade stand is a staple of classic American culture. The fact that this particular one was shut down because they didn't have a proper license comes down to government officials having nothing better to do with their time. However, leave it to certain hyper-partisan posters here to milk the feigned outrage udder for all it's worth by pointing the finger at Liberalism. I think most of us can agree, across political lines, that this shouldn't have happened and that these government officials should shift their focus to issues that actually require attention.
 
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samsmart said:
How does paying $5 for a business license prevent someone from learning a valuable lesson while working, or prevent them from developing a good work ethic?
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j-mac said:
Don't you see the flaw in your thinking here? Really?
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I think any flaw in my thinking is about on par with the flaws in your thinking that saying requiring children to get a $5 business license to operate is evidence of an authoritarian nanny-state intent on stealing their money via overreaching taxes.
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Look Sam, you seem like an intelligent liberal, surely you know what a strawman is right? You should stick to facts. It isn't $5 we are talking about here, it is $120. Did you even read the article? And the larger question that we are supposedly discussing, (although it takes two to discuss) is whether the government should be concerning themselves with a 7 year olds lemonade stand at a yard sale, instead of that restaurant with rats in the basement that they accepted a $1000. kickback (or fine if you wish) to look the other way. This is about some low level liberal with power accreting that power on a defenseless child in a bullying way. Oh, I am sure she could feel the "S" on her pink leotard under her clothes shinning as she effortlessly closed down the kids stand, and threatened a fine. What a model human being....She should be proud she thwarted a 7 year old from making a $1.50, what a joke!

Hey, she should have left the kid alone, Obama could have claimed 7 more jobs saved from that one.


j-mac
 
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samsmart said:
Well, you're wrong. People don't go back to inspect such things - the government sends inspectors to do such things, and the people trust those inspectors. And there are flaws with that, I will readily agree with you.
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As someone who's worked in his fair share of restaurants, I'm simply going to state you know not what you speak of. Inspectors show up usually twice per year. They do not inspect hands, nor plates. And if people do trust those inspectors - Barnum said it "There a sucker born every minute".

samsmart said:
However, it is better to have such a licensing requirement so inspectors can be sent than not having them. The more often a place does unlawful health practices, the more likely an inspector will find out and shut them down. So while it's not perfect, places that are blatantly unsafe about health regulations get shut down while those who do engage in safe practices are allowed to continue operation.
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Yet in this case there was no health inspection, there was a missing "fee". Therefore hands, washing, cleanliness etc... are irrelevant. All they needed was to pay $120 bucks and then piss in the lemonade. The piece of paper means nothing.
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
This entire issue is due to idiotic bureaucracy, not Liberalism. The child's lemonade stand is a staple of classic American culture. The fact that this particular one was shut down because they didn't have a proper license comes down to government officials having nothing better to do with their time. However, leave it to certain hyper-partisan posters here to milk the feigned outrage udder for all it's worth by pointing the finger at Liberalism. I think most of us can agree, across political lines, that this shouldn't have happened and that these government officials should shift their focus to issues that actually require attention.
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I believe it is helpful to point out the idiocy in this over zealous bully bureaucrat, because these are the jobs Obama is creating.


j-mac
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
This entire issue is due to idiotic bureaucracy, not Liberalism. The child's lemonade stand is a staple of classic American culture. The fact that this particular one was shut down because they didn't have a proper license comes down to government officials having nothing better to do with their time. However, leave it to certain hyper-partisan posters here to milk the feigned outrage udder for all it's worth by pointing the finger at Liberalism. I think most of us can agree, across political lines, that this shouldn't have happened and that these government officials should shift their focus to issues that actually require attention.
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I believe it is helpful to point out the idiocy in this over zealous bully bureaucrat, because these are the jobs Obama is creating.


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
I believe it is helpful to point out the idiocy in this over zealous bully bureaucrat, because these are the jobs Obama is creating.


j-mac
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Oh, so it's Obama's fault because he is creating the job position of overzealous bully bureaucrat? You know, you are probably right. In fact, I'm willing to bet he hired this very person just so they could shut down the lemonade stand. Obama is notorious in his hatred for lemonade stands and sustains himself from the tears of little girls. It's good for the skin.
 
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samsmart said:
Well, you're wrong. People don't go back to inspect such things - the government sends inspectors to do such things, and the people trust those inspectors. And there are flaws with that, I will readily agree with you.

However, it is better to have such a licensing requirement so inspectors can be sent than not having them. The more often a place does unlawful health practices, the more likely an inspector will find out and shut them down. So while it's not perfect, places that are blatantly unsafe about health regulations get shut down while those who do engage in safe practices are allowed to continue operation.
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Goooooood lord. Seriously? Children have been running lemonade stands since there were lemons...but they should be regulated? Kids have been mowing lawns since we started having lawns...nope...lets get those conniving 7 year old bastards a license.

Seriously?

As I mentioned on a previous post...you dont really want to know what happens to your food at those licensed fast food joints...
 
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VanceMack said:
Goooooood lord. Seriously? Children have been running lemonade stands since there were lemons...but they should be regulated? Kids have been mowing lawns since we started having lawns...nope...lets get those conniving 7 year old bastards a license.

Seriously?

As I mentioned on a previous post...you dont really want to know what happens to your food at those licensed fast food joints...
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Exactly. It's not as if a license suddenly makes everything a-ok. It was nothing more than idiotic bureaucratic nonsense.
 
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