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Portland lemonade stand runs into health inspectors, needs $120 license to operate

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Welcome to the nanny state. Don't you know the big government must protect us from ourselves?
 
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Johnny said:
Welcome to the nanny state. Don't you know the big government must protect us from ourselves?
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If the govenment doesn't protect us, who will?
 
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pbrauer said:
If the govenment doesn't protect us, who will?
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I find it a bit extreme to take action against a kid's lemonade stand.

In general I believe we do need laws. But we don't need laws protecting us from ourselves. I realize now that I looked back at my post, my comment was unwarranted.

I had other thoughts on my mind at the time I posted.
 
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pbrauer said:
If the govenment doesn't protect us, who will?
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Johnny said:
I find it a bit extreme to take action against a kid's lemonade stand.
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It was a mistake, the city has since apologized. Humans make mistakes.

In general I believe we do need laws. But we don't need laws protecting us from ourselves.
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So laws regarding the sanitation of restaurants, grocery stores, etc. should not be in place in your view? Let the buyer beware?
 
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pbrauer said:
So laws regarding the sanitation of restaurants, grocery stores, etc. should not be in place in your view? Let the buyer beware?
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I agree with this. But property rights need to be respected. A private business is not a publc place so things like smoking bans should be up to the owner as long as the potential customers are made aware.

When it comes to drugs, prostitution, and the like, those are what we don't need laws against IMHO.

Like I said, I got my thoughts mixed up when I posted there.
 
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samsmart said:
I'm glad they shut down her lemonade stand. After all, most businesses require a license to do business in this country. There are many reasons for this, the biggest of which concerns public safety. So if a kid wants to open up a lemonade stand, or any other kind of business, I think they should be required to get a business license.

How I think it should work is that anyone who is under the age of 16 should be required to apply for a special business license. This business license should be maybe $5. When the kid applies for it, they are given pamphlets that lists their duties and responsibilities as a business owner, including liabilities and work practices that are safe for them and their customers.

This way, getting a business license can be an educational experience for them when they get older. After all, when adults start a business, they not only have to get a business license, there's also other paperwork required, such as applying to be an LLC or a corporation of some kind. Let's teach them, as kids, the responsibilities and requirements involved in doing sol.

So I say let's teach these kids the realities of running a business and what it takes to start one up.
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Yes let's teach the kids that the state requires their protection money for the largest racketeering scheme in human history so hopefully they will realize that the tyranny that is the state must be torn down by any means necessary. Give me one generation and I will change the world. **** the government, infiltrate destroy, rebuild!
 
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Agent Ferris said:
Yes let's teach the kids that the state requires their protection money for the largest racketeering scheme in human history so hopefully they will realize that the tyranny that is the state must be torn down by any means necessary. Give me one generation and I will change the world. **** the government, infiltrate destroy, rebuild!
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Yeah, because having a kid pay 5 bucks and then giving them educational materials for their own safety and the safety of their customers and others is the epitome of tyranny.
 
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samsmart said:
Yeah, because having a kid pay 5 bucks and then giving them educational materials for their own safety and the safety of their customers and others is the epitome of tyranny.
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More government bureaucracy. The nanny state regulating a lemonade stand. That's bollocks.
 
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****. Next they will be requiring 1099 reporting and FICA withholding. Assholes.
 
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reefedjib said:
More government bureaucracy. The nanny state regulating a lemonade stand. That's bollocks.
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Perhaps you could do a better job about answering a question I have been asking that nobody else has yet to really answer: What is so torturous and authoritarian and wrong about having a kid pay a $5 fee for a general business license and will cause the clerk who issues that license to give that kid reading materials that will educate that kid on safe work practices for him, his customers, and the general public?
 
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samsmart said:
Perhaps you could do a better job about answering a question I have been asking that nobody else has yet to really answer: What is so torturous and authoritarian and wrong about having a kid pay a $5 fee for a general business license and will cause the clerk who issues that license to give that kid reading materials that will educate that kid on safe work practices for him, his customers, and the general public?
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It represents the government interfering with free enterprise. The government should not require any business to get a business license. It is a tax (fee) to collect revenue for the state. It's bull****.
 
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reefedjib said:
It represents the government interfering with free enterprise. The government should not require any business to get a business license. It is a tax (fee) to collect revenue for the state. It's bull****.
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Even though it can be used as a method to teach these children business practices regarding their own safety and the safety of their customers and others?
 
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samsmart said:
Even though it can be used as a method to teach these children business practices regarding their own safety and the safety of their customers and others?
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Especially so. It is the way it goes, right? The state promises benefit for a fee and feels justified in inserting itself into the enterprise.

I think a high school class on small business practices would be appropriate, as an elective.
 
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reefedjib said:
Especially so. It is the way it goes, right? The state promises benefit for a fee and feels justified in inserting itself into the enterprise.

I think a high school class on small business practices would be appropriate, as an elective.
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10-year-olds aren't in high school, and a whole year-long course on small business practices isn't practical for a lemonade stand.
 
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samsmart said:
Yeah, because having a kid pay 5 bucks and then giving them educational materials for their own safety and the safety of their customers and others is the epitome of tyranny.
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Yes the statist racketeering scheme which pre-supposes that not only does the state have the right to garnish protection money from the individual but that the state can conceviebly protect customers when in reality it is the consumers who must protect themselves and that the business owner has a vested interest in not poisoning his ****ing customers.

Now defend your gangster state and its racketeering scheme just no that you are a defender of organized crime.
 
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Agent Ferris said:
the business owner has a vested interest in not poisoning his ****ing customers.
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Which totally explains tobacco companies and Chinese drywall.
 
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I see both sides on this. I applaud the lemonade stand owner for having some initiative, but on the other hand, nobody knows if this person washed their hands, used clean dishes, etc.
 
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megaprogman said:
I see both sides on this. I applaud the lemonade stand owner for having some initiative, but on the other hand, nobody knows if this person washed their hands, used clean dishes, etc.
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That is between the business and its customers. The state has no role to play.
 
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reefedjib said:
That is between the business and its customers. The state has no role to play.
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That's right. So if you eat a burger that's been spit on by the cook or if you have some soup that's been peed in by the waiters it's your fault. That's the "common sense" they're promoting here.
 
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samsmart said:
That's right. So if you eat a burger that's been spit on by the cook or if you have some soup that's been peed in by the waiters it's your fault. That's the "common sense" they're promoting here.
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And how do you propose that the state intervene in such a scenario? Make them watch a safety video?
 
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reefedjib said:
And how do you propose that the state intervene in such a scenario? Make them watch a safety video?
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I think the state should be able to do pretty much what they do now - random health and safety inspections, and fines and penalties for not dealing with them. For some things, such as spitting and peeing on food, the perpetrators should get jail time.
 
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samsmart said:
I think the state should be able to do pretty much what they do now - random health and safety inspections, and fines and penalties for not dealing with them. For some things, such as spitting and peeing on food, the perpetrators should get jail time.
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I am conflicted to be honest. Health and safety inspections, while a sign of overreach od government, is important to public health and safety. I have eaten at restaurants that deserve to be closed down, and in one case they were. Nasty.

However, I don't think a 10 year old with a lemonade stand should be required to undergo inspections. Nor should she need a bus. license, which is another thing entirely from inspections. I mean WTF? The objective is to have the girl buy cups, make lemonade and sell it roadside. Not this other nonsense.
 
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samsmart said:
I think the state should be able to do pretty much what they do now - random health and safety inspections, and fines and penalties for not dealing with them. For some things, such as spitting and peeing on food, the perpetrators should get jail time.
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The "State" is all powerful isn't it?


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reefedjib said:
I am conflicted to be honest. Health and safety inspections, while a sign of overreach od government, is important to public health and safety. I have eaten at restaurants that deserve to be closed down, and in one case they were. Nasty.

However, I don't think a 10 year old with a lemonade stand should be required to undergo inspections. Nor should she need a bus. license, which is another thing entirely from inspections. I mean WTF? The objective is to have the girl buy cups, make lemonade and sell it roadside. Not this other nonsense.
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If you will note, I never said that I think this 10-year-old girl running a lemonade stand should undergo inspections. What I said is that she should be required to pay a very small $5 fee to get a general business license for children and be given pamphlets on how to act in a responsible manner that takes her safety and the safety of her customers into account. This way, the government can pursue the public interest, which is the safety and health of the public at large. Should a police officer notice her, he can ask for her child business license as proof that she read those safety precautions. She hands it to him, he sees it, and the government now knows that she can sell to the public with the interests of public safety and health involved. She can go about her business in selling lemonade now.

Should something bad happened, such as she was selling tainted lemons or was using tainted wanted in making the lemonade, the government has a record of her business license they can use to backtrack the effect of it should they need to. This will advance government response time in pursuing an emergency response. There's nothing sinister about this - it's just in case something bad happens, which very well could.

It's not that big of a deal to ask her or her parents to pay $5 for a child's business license so she can sell lemonade in order to educate her on basic business and health and safety practices.
 
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