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Senate to confirm Kagan as court's 4th-ever woman

Navy Pride said:
I can see how that would bother you but it only levels the playing field when you figure the dems have the unions in their back pocket.......
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can you find something in the constitution that empowers congress to place such limits on people (using a corporation) spending money on political speech?

I sure as hell cannot
 
TurtleDude said:
the current republicans did the right thing.

they voted against a person who was far less qualified than Roberts and Alito. Since the people who proposed Kagan voted against Roberts and Alito the GOP were correct to vote against a far less qualifed person
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So again, the reason to do what they did was because of other people.
 
Redress said:
So again, the reason to do what they did was because of other people.
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wrong-when the standards are changed you have to play the game under the new rules.


and you want to ignore the fact that was the dems that politicized judicial selections

from the Borking of Bork to the disgraceful racist obstruction of Estrada--a man that ALL FOUR FORMER DEM SOLICITOR GENERALS endorsed for the bench and a man who got the ABA's TOP RATING
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong-when the standards are changed you have to play the game under the new rules.


and you want to ignore the fact that was the dems that politicized judicial selections

from the Borking of Bork to the disgraceful racist obstruction of Estrada--a man that ALL FOUR FORMER DEM SOLICITOR GENERALS endorsed for the bench and a man who got the ABA's TOP RATING
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I am not denying anything. You are denying that people are responsible for their own actions. Typical conservative strategy...talk about personal responsibility for every one but themselves.
 
Redress said:
I am not denying anything. You are denying that people are responsible for their own actions. Typical conservative strategy...talk about personal responsibility for every one but themselves.
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you act as if I think what the GOP did was wrong

I urged my GOP senator to vote against Kagan.

its called payback

some dem clown on another board claimed that Roberts' opinions meant less than RBG's because Roberts got less votes (the clown forgot that Scalia was a perfect 98-0 IIRC). so using that, I am glad that Kagan didn't get anywhere near the numbers that some others did.
 
TurtleDude said:
you act as if I think what the GOP did was wrong

I urged my GOP senator to vote against Kagan.

its called payback

some dem clown on another board claimed that Roberts' opinions meant less than RBG's because Roberts got less votes (the clown forgot that Scalia was a perfect 98-0 IIRC). so using that, I am glad that Kagan didn't get anywhere near the numbers that some others did.
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It's making excuses. If what the dems did was wrong, then what the GOP did was wrong. If it isn't wrong, then it was not worth bringing up.
 
Redress said:
It's making excuses. If what the dems did was wrong, then what the GOP did was wrong. If it isn't wrong, then it was not worth bringing up.
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wrong again

if I engage in a fist fight with you and you pull a knife, you have done wrong but If I then pull a glock and cap you I am perfectly and morally correct.
 
Chappy said:
Bravo! Senate confirmation of Kagan's nomination to the Supreme Court is another important accomplishment by President Barack Obama.
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BFD, he threw out a name, big accomplishment. Now we got a military hating leftist on the court.
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong again

if I engage in a fist fight with you and you pull a knife, you have done wrong but If I then pull a glock and cap you I am perfectly and morally correct.
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That makes zero sense in relation to the discussion.
 
Redress said:
That makes zero sense in relation to the discussion.
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it does to me and that is what counts to me

dems changed the rules and the republicans now play by the rules the dems created

you pull a knife in a fist fight or boxing match you have changed the rules.
 
TurtleDude said:
you act as if I think what the GOP did was wrong

I urged my GOP senator to vote against Kagan.

its called payback

some dem clown on another board claimed that Roberts' opinions meant less than RBG's because Roberts got less votes (the clown forgot that Scalia was a perfect 98-0 IIRC). so using that, I am glad that Kagan didn't get anywhere near the numbers that some others did.
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You accuse Dems of this (and you're not entirely wrong). However, you'll note that when Dems took over Congress with Bush in office, despite their base calling for it, they opted not to try to impeach him even after Republicans tried to impeach a sitting president with a 60% approval rating at the time. And more than 80% saying they were against impeachment.

Now, we have Bachmann and Tancredo saying they're going to try to impeach Obama if they get control of the House.

I'll urge my party to stop voting against SCOTUS nominees, if you'll get yours to stop trying to impeach presidents.
 
TurtleDude said:
it does to me and that is what counts to me

dems changed the rules and the republicans now play by the rules the dems created

you pull a knife in a fist fight or boxing match you have changed the rules.
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What is amusing is you keep falling back to "it's the democrats fault the repubs did what they did" excuse, and don't even realize it. Conservatives, the party of every one but themselves being responsible.
 
I am opposed to Kagan's appointment for the same reason I was opposed to Harriet Meiers being appointed. No judicial experience.

To the Democrats - Don't be hypocrites. I saw your posts during the Meiers process. You said she had no experience.

To the Republicans - Don't be hypocrites. Although you are lambasting Kagan's nomination because she has no judicial experience, that did not stop a lot of you from supporting Meiers.

But, I do understand where both sides are coming from, and it all goes according to the following definition:

Politics - A conflict of interests disguised as ideologies.
 
Chappy said:
Bravo! Senate confirmation of Kagan's nomination to the Supreme Court is another important accomplishment by President Barack Obama.
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I don't see how the appointment of any justice to the supreme court is an "accomplishment" for a president. Its more like a minimum requirement of actually doing his job.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
Now, we have Bachmann and Tancredo saying they're going to try to impeach Obama if they get control of the House.
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bachman and tancredo hardly represent the republican party

have you heard some of the things former dnc dean has been saying, does he represent the party in power?

did you see anthony wiener go off last week, is he the donkey's poster boy?
 
ms kagen was confirmed with the lowest senate tally ever for a dem nominee
 
This was going to happen any way :shrug: She doesn't change the balance of the court either. She's a liberal replacing a liberal. However, I hope she will be more logical and less bias than her predecessor. Who knows? Maybe she will surprise us all and rule according to Law and not according to her politics. I think we should reserve judgement until we have seen her ruling on issues.
 
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I don't see how the appointment of any justice to the supreme court is an "accomplishment" for a president. Its more like a minimum requirement of actually doing his job.
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Getting O to actually do his job is an accomplishment, think of the golf he is missing.
 
The Prof said:
she also has the lowest approval rating across the electorate (44%) of any confirmee since as far back as gallup will go

Americans Favor Confirming Kagan to High Court, 44% to 34%
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Just to clarify a point you seem to be totally confused on: her approval rating is entirely irrelevant to anything. She won appointment, and will be a judge until she decides to retire.

Nice try at making a point, but it didn't work.
 
part of what's bothering those who are troubled by ms kagan's selection (record numbers of americans and opposition senators), aside from her rather extreme views on partial birth abortion, gay marriage, military recruitment and her totally bizarre statement about banning books, is her propensity to look at legal questions thru an activist political lens, with a sharp focus on media reaction

In Elena Kagan's e-mails, politics often trumps policy - USATODAY.com

this politics-first approach, coupled with her lack of bench time, causes concern to many

referring to her boss, president clinton, sometime between 1996 and 1998, ms kagan wrote, "hasn't anyone told him not to believe our soundbites?"

if she doesn't believe her own talking points, why should anyone else?
 
danarhea said:
I am opposed to Kagan's appointment for the same reason I was opposed to Harriet Meiers being appointed. No judicial experience.

To the Democrats - Don't be hypocrites. I saw your posts during the Meiers process. You said she had no experience.

To the Republicans - Don't be hypocrites. Although you are lambasting Kagan's nomination because she has no judicial experience, that did not stop a lot of you from supporting Meiers.

But, I do understand where both sides are coming from, and it all goes according to the following definition:

Politics - A conflict of interests disguised as ideologies.
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I don't remember supporting Meyers.
 
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