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    After 107 years in Milwaukee, Harley could leave

    Thank the Unions if it happens... they've been responsible for outsourcing a whole lotta jobs.

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    MILWAUKEE – It's the roar that made Milwaukee famous — the distinctive throaty rumble of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle. But that much-loved racket could be rumbling away to another state if the company cannot bring down its labor costs

    "You can't describe it. They've got so much history here. They've just become the blood of the community," said Tom Steepy, a lifelong rider and the director of the suburban Milwaukee chapter of the Harley Owners Group, or HOG. "If they moved their manufacturing, it would just create a void you can't fill."

    Negotiations with the unions began in late July. The president of Harley's largest union did not return multiple messages seeking comment.

    Prasad, the UW-Milwaukee professor, doesn't see Harley's threat to move simply as a negotiating tactic. A company with a 107-year history is more concerned with the next 100 years than with making idle threats to extract short-term advantages, he said.

    After 107 years in Milwaukee, Harley could leave - Yahoo! News
    You can describe it Tom Steepy... it's called survival, and history is history. Milwaukee can lament losing major businesses because of greedy politicians and unions... and you have only yourself to blame, as you folks voted and encouraged them. The Glorious Unions just might make more history ... how to kill the Goose laying the Golden Eggs... and new History will be written; Texas would be a nice home for Harley Davidson to begin Chapter 2.

    The Company and the unions representing its Wisconsin production employees are scheduled to begin negotiations this week on new labor agreements that would take effect upon the expiration of the current contracts in April 2012. Through the negotiation of new agreements, the Company seeks to close large cost gaps in its Milwaukee-area and Tomahawk production operations and improve flexibility to meet seasonal and other customer-driven production needs. If Harley-Davidson is unable to achieve those objectives through agreement with the unions by mid-September 2010, the Company has said it will move Wisconsin production operations to another U.S. location.
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    Re: After 107 years in Milwaukee, Harley could leave

    Perhaps they should move it to Korea, since many of the parts on that motorcycle come from there.
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    Re: After 107 years in Milwaukee, Harley could leave

    They should move it down to San Antonio

    And Rev. I bet if you could get a part manufacturer in the US that wasn't overpriced they'd be bought from here. Sadly that's easier said then done.
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    Re: After 107 years in Milwaukee, Harley could leave

    For what they charge, I don't believe that.
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    Re: After 107 years in Milwaukee, Harley could leave

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    They should move it down to San Antonio

    And Rev. I bet if you could get a part manufacturer in the US that wasn't overpriced they'd be bought from here. Sadly that's easier said then done.
    I'd put my money on Mexico for parts.

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    Re: After 107 years in Milwaukee, Harley could leave

    the marketplace has substantially changed
    years ago, people were sleeping in HD dealers' parking lots to place a deposit on the months later delivery of of an HD bike
    now, they are very difficult to move, new or used
    HD did not evolve with its market
    shame on the unions for that you say
    as if the unions are responsible for the company's present circumstance
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: After 107 years in Milwaukee, Harley could leave

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the marketplace has substantially changed
    years ago, people were sleeping in HD dealers' parking lots to place a deposit on the months later delivery of of an HD bike
    now, they are very difficult to move, new or used
    HD did not evolve with its market
    shame on the unions for that you say
    as if the unions are responsible for the company's present circumstance
    Yes, HD has made mistakes, but the Unions have their share of the blame too, and cutting costs requires something the Unions won't do...
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    Re: After 107 years in Milwaukee, Harley could leave

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the marketplace has substantially changed
    years ago, people were sleeping in HD dealers' parking lots to place a deposit on the months later delivery of of an HD bike
    now, they are very difficult to move, new or used
    HD did not evolve with its market
    shame on the unions for that you say
    as if the unions are responsible for the company's present circumstance
    Largely speaking they are responsible, in much the same way they were also responsible for the almost demise of both Chrysler and GM, before they both became Government Motors, and in reality even attaching that name is not totally accurate, with the donations to the Democrats recently, so perhaps it would be best to call them Obama motors.

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    Re: After 107 years in Milwaukee, Harley could leave

    Unions want theirs regardless of market changes or operational challenges.

    Businesses don't have such a luxury of ignoring those realities.

    Union workers are getting what they've had coming for a long time. 50 percent unemployment in Michigan is just around the corner.

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    Re: After 107 years in Milwaukee, Harley could leave

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Unions want theirs regardless of market changes or operational challenges.

    Businesses don't have such a luxury of ignoring those realities.

    Union workers are getting what they've had coming for a long time. 50 percent unemployment in Michigan is just around the corner.
    every contract between labor and management is one which has been negotiated by and signed off on by management?
    why would management agree to terms which are detrimental to the viability of the company ... a reasonable person might ask ...
    to answer that rhetorical question, it would be because management was incompetent and/or because management was willing to cave in order to realize short term benefits while recognizing they probably would not be there long term to face the down side of their contracted agreement
    a non-rhetorical question: why is that the union's fault?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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