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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    there's a pattern going on here, huge, unmistakable and sharply revealing of meaning

    and it's in the gut of most, and everyday more, americans

    we're watching, we perceive

    and what we see, again and again, is the elites among us, whether in washington or wearing a robe in CA or AZ, asserting their convictions that they few know so much better than all the millions of us

    this elitism, this smug sanctimony and self congratulating, is becoming insufferable

    from the lawsuit against the people of arizona to that mad attempt to move the trial of ksm to manhattan

    from health care (72% in missouri) to THIS

    on topic, on topic, hopefully still free to SPEAK openly

    another CA judge yet again overruling the express wish of the people expressed via the powerfully progressive proposition movement (championed by the likes of fighting bob lafollette and CA's own progressive hiram johnson)

    washington knows best

    way too many americans, for leadership's good, are about to puke

    this smugly self righteous imposition of thought is grotesquely manifest thruout this entire very revealing thread

    philosophically speaking, it's a pig of a gig

    which, as always, means---go for it!

    express yourselves!

    party on!

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    It is a much stronger argument, but the SCOTUS will duck the issue, and they'll do it by only deciding on whether due process was met. Even in the US Constitution, due process is all that needs to be met. This really is the legal question. The equal protection matter, although surrounded in tests and measures, is ultimately a question left to the states. The SCOTUS must address whether CA met the burden of due process. It did, and it did it in the same way any federal court would.

    Tim-
    Actually, I think it's going to be a little different with the marriage cases because, historically, due process has been addressed in conjunction with personal choice as in Sharp v Perez and Loving.

    In both of those cases, the offended parties were shown to have had due process met under the current laws. However, the offense of their right to marry who they chose was central to both rulings. The opinion in Sharp v Perez was actually beautifully written and borders on poetic, if you ever get the chance to take a look.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    In other words, you are arguing a topic you know nothing about...leaning on your emotional response to the icky gays to carry you through, dropping buzzwords and soundbytes with no knowledge of why they are important, and refusing to educate yourself on the matter at all.

    That's called attention whoring. It also means I am done with it and I suggest everyone else do the same.
    No I want proof of your claims

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you are to lazy to back up your claims with facts?
    Dude, you are seriously making yourself look silly by trying to debate something that you are not educated on. The way this works - if you want to participate you have to come prepared. You cannot come into a debate and then tell everyone "Hey....I don't know anything that you are talking about, someone please educate me."

    Come PREPARED next time you want to participate, otherwise, please don't come at all because you are not able to intelligently participate.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    there's a pattern going on here, huge, unmistakable and sharply revealing of meaning

    and it's in the gut of most, and everyday more, americans

    we're watching, we perceive

    and what we see, again and again, is the elites among us, whether in washington or wearing a robe in CA or AZ, asserting their convictions that they few know so much better than all the millions of us

    this elitism, this smug sanctimony and self congratulating, is becoming insufferable

    from the lawsuit against the people of arizona to that mad attempt to move the trial of ksm to manhattan

    from health care (72% in missouri) to THIS

    on topic, on topic, hopefully still free to SPEAK openly

    another CA judge yet again overruling the express wish of the people expressed via the powerfully progressive proposition movement (championed by the likes of fighting bob lafollette and CA's own progressive hiram johnson)

    washington knows best

    way too many americans, for leadership's good, are about to puke

    this smugly self righteous imposition of thought is grotesquely manifest thruout this entire very revealing thread

    philosophically speaking, it's a pig of a gig

    which, as always, means---go for it!

    express yourselves!

    party on!
    So start a thread on Liberal Elitism and try to stay on topic if you are going to continue the discussion on this thread.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    another CA judge yet again overruling the express wish of the people expressed via the powerfully progressive proposition movement (championed by the likes of fighting bob lafollette and CA's own progressive hiram johnson)
    The will of the people is the Constitution of the United States of America, not a ballot measure passed by a slim majority of California voters, nor any other ballot measure passed in any other state. The judge determined that the will of the voters in California violated the rights of a minority guaranteed by the federal Constitution. Those rights were equal protection under the law as guaranteed by the Equal Protection Clause and the right to Due Process. The law is written, "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Are gays and lesbians considered persons and citizens of the United States of America? Then by the Constitution, they are entitled to equal protection of the law. The judge defended the will of the people, the federal Constitution; he did not overturn it.

    Furthermore, the lawyer leading the charge for gay marriage was the conservative attorney who represented George W. Bush and the federal judge who overturned Prop 8 was appointed by Ronald Reagan and later by George Bush Senior. So tell us a bit more about this "liberal" elitism.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    They're not "claims" if everybody BUT you already knows about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No I want proof of your claims

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    If the state wishes to inact the law, then they better make sure it does meet those standards. The law was challenged at the federal level, and the ruling is that law did not meet federal (constitutional) standards. Federal courts are the ones who rule on conflicts with federal law, or the US constitution, not state courts.

    The challenge was against the US Constitution, therefore it is decided by federal courts.
    So the state had no responsibility to meet federal standards. If they did it would be a state issue

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No I want proof of your claims
    Already been done, pal.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    DOMA is circling the drain and will probably get flushed soon after Prop 8.

    20 years from now, people who were strongly against gay marriage and adoption will be portrayed in movies similar to Mississippi Burning.

    I don't think every person against gay marriage/rights is a bigot, some are just old fashion and don't really know any gay people. Its a generational thing. Today, even young evangelicals are ready to move forward on this and allow gay couples to go to the same window at city hall that straight people do. You can still define your marriage any way you want.
    Nice rant!!!

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