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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Then why was prop 8 allowed on the ballot?
    There is no constitutionality question, in order to place an initiative on the ballot. That comes later.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No they do not. Which is precisely why they handed it up to the federal courts.
    So you say a state does not have to be responsible to federal law?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The state has an obligation to meet federal law. The state should have done this not the feds
    And if the state refuses to do this?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Please know the issues if you are going to debate them. The challenge obviously came after the election.
    I am still waiting for proof

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So the state is not responsible to make sure their laws meet federal standards?
    Yes, they should. THAT is exactly why the proposition process is so flawed. Laws are written and put on the ballot by people who are not educated enough to understand this. Time and again laws have been put on the ballot that are clearly unconstitutional (prop 187 in California is another great example). The State must then spend millions of dollars fighting the lawsuits.

    There is a reason why we have a legislature that hopefully is trained enough to do this. The initiative ballot process should be outlawed precisely because of what you illustrate in your post.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You said marriage is not a federal issue yet with DOMA it seems to be a federal issue.
    DOMA protects states rights to make their own marrige laws

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you say a state does not have to be responsible to federal law?
    That's the exact opposite of what I said.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The state has an obligation to meet federal law. The state should have done this not the feds
    Are you at all familiar with the history of the civil rights movement?

    Brown v board of education etc???

    Do you not understand how the state and federal courts function?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    9th district is most liberal in the land, scotus is scotus

    hello

    look ahead 2 moves

    that's the legalistics

    now, look at the politics, if you dare

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Yes - CA supreme court upheld Prop 8 as legal ballot process that amended the state constitution.

    The CA state constitution was legally amended. Unfortunately, the amended version violates the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Hence, the Federal court case...

    Next step is the Fed appellate court, then SCOTUS.
    Still waiting for a link proving this

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