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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Why is the limitation to men and women? Why not children marrying children or children marrying men or women? If you are going to expand equal protection under the law to include sexual orientation you cannot descriminate against any sexual orientation.
    Yet another weak argument. Children can't marry children because they are not at the age of consent. You can't compare the two because adults, regardless of sex, are at the age of consent.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Because if you are creating a new "right" specifcally for sexual orientation you cannot descriminate against any other sexual orientation which includes polygamy.
    And since we're all happy go lucky on the 14th, answer me why for decades the courts have abridged the rights of Fathers, over the Mother? Due process I suppose. So if one agrees that due process can legally infringe upon a parents right to their children, then why not for gay marriage?


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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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    I know, you've told us that numerous times Navy. Just a search of the archieves for Polls, Bush, and Iraq shows us that.


    You left out the best one Zyph....the one where Navy called Rasmussen a "biased pollster that only polls liberals"......

    That's always been my favorite.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Because if you are creating a new "right" specifcally for sexual orientation you cannot descriminate against any other sexual orientation which includes polygamy.
    If you want to start a topic discussing polygamy, feel free. This discussion is on gay marriage, specifically in California. Please try to stay on topic.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    It actually hurt to read that. Because children can't enter contracts. Surely you already knew that. Please tell me you did.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Why is the limitation to men and women? Why not children marrying children or children marrying men or women? If you are going to expand equal protection under the law to include sexual orientation you cannot descriminate against any sexual orientation.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    And there are laws against gay marriage you want to throw out so how can you justify only keeping the laws you like?

    Thinking this through helps.
    Just like there were laws against black people marrying white people. Just like there were Jim Crow laws. This process has been repeated numerous times in American history, this is just the next time another minority group gets a right that has been denied them because they were different.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Yet another weak argument. Children can't marry children because they are not at the age of consent. You can't compare the two because adults, regardless of sex, are at the age of consent.
    Not that I advocate children marrying children, I do however wish to raise the point, at which time does a childs inability to marry another child, legitimately serve the government interest?


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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    today, gay marriage

    tomorrow, polygamy

    LOL!

    now, there's a WINNING argument

    let me ask you---after polygamy, what's next for the enlightened?

    hey, when you're right in your own opened and expanded mind---AND YOU KNOW IT---of what worth are the sentiments of a bunch of backward looking, small minded neighbors, fellow workers, associates...

    just like 31 states---a bunch of crap

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You are forgetting the polygamy issue as well as people who are related wanting to get married for the benefits provided without sex involved............In fact we have something similar here in Washington in that older people who are related can be involved in a domestic partnership with full benefits.............

    These people have the same rights under the 14th amendment as gays do.............
    In regards to members of the same family, it’s a reasonable argument to make that the state has legitimate and reasoned state interest to deny such marriages due to the fact that procreation between those two individuals has a higher chance for genetic deformity which could place a drain on society as a whole in having to help support that individual. However, I actually have no issues with two siblings or two cousins getting married in a governmental sense…though I think the term “marriage” should be removed as a whole. There’s no reasons in situations where a pair of siblings are going to be together for a substantial amount of time that benefits with regards to power of attorney type issues, taxes, real estate purchase, and other type things should be denied to them. Do I think they should be screwing each other? Nope, and I agree completely with incest laws regarding sex…but simply as governmental marriage, I have little issue with it. Your example in Washington with the older people is exactly what I am describing.

    Polygamy issues don’t factor into what I said at all. Polygamy is discrimination based on numbers which one, is allowable, and two, even if it was covered by equal protection its covered at a far lower standard than gender is.

    But navy, rather than simply asking questions and deflecting, why don’t you answer mine.

    Where is the equal protection based on gender in the fact you can marry a woman but a woman can’t marry a woman?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Polygamy is a practice, not an orientation.
    I may be a bit biased about polygamy, being an old man of 64, but I think that having more than one spouse at the same time is crazy stupid. The logistics of it has to be difficult at best.
    If I was 24, I might have a different opinion....
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