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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You already have the same rights. you want a special right...............Hell I can't have 4 wives, why should you be allowed to marry your boyfriend............
    Same reason blacks should have been allowed to marry whites. Despite the fact that you can't have 4 wives.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You are forgetting the polygamy issue as well as people who are related wanting to get married for the benefits provided without sex involved............In fact we have something similar here in Washington in that older people who are related can be involved in a domestic partnership with full benefits.............

    These people have the same rights under the 14th amendment as gays do.............
    I find it interesting that everytime you get confronted with certain gay marriage questions you immediately go to polygamy. Is it really so hard to stay on topic?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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    Nope, sure doesn't. It doesn't mention anything speciically. What it does say is "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

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    Absolutely. And since hommosexual marriage has never been defined as a right there is no legal standing. That is why we have laws and ammendments not judges writing new law.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Why is the limitation to men and women? Why not children marrying children or children marrying men or women? If you are going to expand equal protection under the law to include sexual orientation you cannot descriminate against any sexual orientation.
    Marriage is between two consenting adults. Minors can't consent to anything legally.

    Nice try again though.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I find it interesting that everytime you get confronted with certain gay marriage questions you immediately go to polygamy. Is it really so hard to stay on topic?
    Because if you are creating a new "right" specifcally for sexual orientation you cannot descriminate against any other sexual orientation which includes polygamy.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Marriage is between two consenting adults. Minors can't consent to anything legally.

    Nice try again though.
    And there are laws against gay marriage you want to throw out so how can you justify only keeping the laws you like?

    Thinking this through helps.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Absolutely. And since hommosexual marriage has never been defined as a right there is no legal standing. That is why we have laws and ammendments not judges writing new law.
    Homosexual marriage may never have been defined as a right, but contract sure as hell is. Right to contract is a right held by the individual. The marriage license is a contract.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Polls mean nothing here............
    I know, you've told us that numerous times Navy. Just a search of the archieves for Polls, Bush, and Iraq shows us that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride circa 2005 archieve post
    Not a big polls fan here......Its all how they are worded..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride circa 2005 archieve post
    You can make anything you want out of polls and you know it....It really depends on who you poll

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride circa 2005 archieve post
    As I have saud many times polls can be very faulty like the one that was given to the troops in Iraq.............

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    As we can see Navy, when Bush was in office you were a huge advocate for ignoring polls and "the will of the people". Indeed, when a person wouldn't take action based on polls you stated things like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride circa 2005 archieve post
    He is a president who does not get up in the morning and look at the polls to decide his positions......I like that..........

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    Thank God this President does not run his presidency by stupid bias left wing media polls.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride circa 2006 archieve post
    If President Bush governed by the polls he would be concerned about his approval ratings and maybe Cut and Run in Iraq like you and your Liberal buddies want him to do.......

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    Saying how much you like it that people don't govern based on polls. And yet, it seems now that you're advocating polls DO matter and that a judge should judge based on polls.

    That reminds me of something else you had said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride circa 2005 archieve post
    When it comes to polls our liberal friends only cite them when they favor their position..........

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    Just flip the liberal thing.

    What I'm getting at Navy is simply appealing to polls is hollow. Its doubly hollow when its done by someone who previously continually discounted polls. Can polls be useful tools? Yep, they could back in 2005 with Iraq and they can today as well, you know, like the one some time ago that you discounted where people felt DADT should end. But polls in and of themselves should never be the only, or even primary, justification for something done by a government official because public opinion is continually swaying and at times simply unconstitutional or wrong.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Why is the limitation to men and women? Why not children marrying children or children marrying men or women? If you are going to expand equal protection under the law to include sexual orientation you cannot descriminate against any sexual orientation.
    Age of consent laws serve a legitimate governmental interest and thus would be upheld under an equal protection challenge.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Because if you are creating a new "right" specifcally for sexual orientation you cannot descriminate against any other sexual orientation which includes polygamy.
    Polygamy is a practice, not an orientation.
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