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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Due process was served yesterday when Prop 8 was overturned by a federal judge. Now it will be in the hands of the SCOTUS where same sex marriage will be made legal across the US. The marriage bigot pinheads that thought they were winning when they voted on Prop 8 will be the ones that created the case to make same sex marriage legal in every state. I love this.
    You might love it, and that's fine, however, you clearly do not comprehend that, citing lack of due process as a rationale for overturning Prop 8 is dishonest. It's dishonest to cliam no due process, when in fact due process was served several times leading up to this decision. The case should never have made it to this judge, or ANY judge once delcared constitutional, AFTER the due process of both the hearing to decide whether the ballot initiative was constitutional, and secondly, when the voters voted, and thirdly when the initiative was upheld.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    You might love it, and that's fine, however, you clearly do not comprehend that, citing lack of due process as a rationale for overturning Prop 8 is dishonest. It's dishonest to cliam no due process, when in fact due process was served several times leading up to this decision. The case should never have made it to this judge, or ANY judge once delcared constitutional, AFTER the due process of both the hearing to decide whether the ballot initiative was constitutional, and secondly, when the voters voted, and thirdly when the initiative was upheld.

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    You are displaying your ignorance about the difference between State Courts and Federal Courts and their different functions.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Hiccup,

    I feel your pain. Obviously, it is only a matter of time before the gays will be allowed to marry. I know that and so do you. I can totally understand the frustration one must feel as they watch society evolve and progress thus leaving them and their ideologies of what is supposed to be right and/or wrong, behind in the pages of history.

    I saw it happen to my older uncles back during the civil rights era. They were livid that they would have to eat, work, and allow members of another race to share their space.

    But, as you see, all's well that ends well. Queers marrying isn't going to ruin the world.

    Life is short. Focus on more important things. Like fishing and drinking beer.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    You might love it, and that's fine, however, you clearly do not comprehend that, citing lack of due process as a rationale for overturning Prop 8 is dishonest. It's dishonest to cliam no due process, when in fact due process was served several times leading up to this decision. The case should never have made it to this judge, or ANY judge once delcared constitutional, AFTER the due process of both the hearing to decide whether the ballot initiative was constitutional, and secondly, when the voters voted, and thirdly when the initiative was upheld.

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    Call it what you want. It happened. Deal with it. If you seriously think that things aren't going to change and society isn't going to progress in this area, you are kidding yourself. Gay marriage will be made legal because there are enough people out there who are advocates for it and they won't stop fighting until it is allowed.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The California Supreme Court held the vote "Constitutional" on state Constitutional grounds because prop 8 itself amended the California Constitution.
    The issue is whether the law violates that United States Constitution, which it clearly does. All you have to do is look at the incredibly weak case that the proponents of the law put up to understand that they really don't have much of an argument. Even very conservative legal scholars have said that it will be very difficult to make a case for the restriction.
    How so? The language is almost the same. How can a States Due Process, violate the US Constitution, when it is exaclty the same? Should we have the US Supreme Court decide everything now for the states? When do States have the right to govern themselves? If they follow the law, and provide for due process, how is this even a matter for the SCOTUS. The first test the Supremes is whether the State violated due process. Did it?


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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Must be pretty a hard life to sit around and hate people all day that are different then you.
    no more difficult than sitting around hating palin and beck and the millions of knuckle dragging neanderthals who adore them

    psst---obama's not ONE OF US

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    How so? The language is almost the same. How can a States Due Process, violate the US Constitution, when it is exaclty the same? Should we have the US Supreme Court decide everything now for the states? When do States have the right to govern themselves? If they follow the law, and provide for due process, how is this even a matter for the SCOTUS. The first test the Supremes is whether the State violated due process. Did it?


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    I agree with you on the due process claim, I don't really understand the judge's ruling on the due process issue. However, Prop 8 clearly violates the protections of the qual protection clause and the proponents of the law couldn't come up with any legitimate argument for a state interest to justify the violation.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Must be pretty a hard life to sit around and hate people all day that are different then you.
    Really? Normally I would ignore such a baited statement, but I want to ask you if you yourself are tolerant of "everything", and everyone that is different from you? What? No you aren't?.........

    Yeah, that's what I thought. Tolerance is very funny thing. You don't want to get into a "tolerance" debate with me. I'll make you look silly.


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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are displaying your ignorance about the difference between State Courts and Federal Courts and their different functions.
    I confuse nothing..


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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Really? Normally I would ignore such a baited statement, but I want to ask you if you yourself are tolerant of "everything", and everyone that is different from you? What? No you aren't?.........

    Yeah, that's what I thought. Tolerance is very funny thing. You don't want to get into a "tolerance" debate with me. I'll make you look silly.


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    Oh....please......go on......
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