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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The will of the people is the Constitution of the United States of America, not a ballot measure passed by a slim majority of California voters, nor any other ballot measure passed in any other state. The judge determined that the will of the voters in California violated the rights of a minority guaranteed by the federal Constitution. Those rights were equal protection under the law as guaranteed by the Equal Protection Clause and the right to Due Process. You are right that "alternative lifestyles" and "marriage" are not discussed in the Constitution. The Constitution also doesn't say anything about race, so your point is moot. The law is written, "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Are gays and lesbians considered persons and citizens of the United States of America? Then by the Constitution, they are entitled to equal protection of the law. The judge defended the will of the people, the federal Constitution; he did not overturn it.
    Ok smart guy, how many other "groups" can fit this bill? Society, whether guided by laws or not, ultimately tolerate, or they do not. Notwithstanding this gay mariage issue, how does it look when a single judge overrules 7 million California votes?

    Sheesh..


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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Ok smart guy, how many other "groups" can fit this bill? Society, whether guided by laws or not, ultimately tolerate, or they do not. Notwithstanding this gay mariage issue, how does it look when a single judge overrules 7 million California votes?

    Sheesh..


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    The constitution overruled the will of less than 3% of America's population.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Ok smart guy, how many other "groups" can fit this bill? Society, whether guided by laws or not, ultimately tolerate, or they do not. Notwithstanding this gay mariage issue, how does it look when a single judge overrules 7 million California votes?

    Sheesh..


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    You think that is bad, how do you think it looked when just 9 judges overruled 19 states, and effectively tens of millions of voters, that had established laws banning interracial marriage? And we all know how horrible that turned out.

    There were religious thinkers that had their views back then as well...

    "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."

    How could you argue with reasoning like that?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The constitution overruled the will of less than 3% of America's population.
    What Constitution? This judge you mean? How many "slim" majorities have written major law in this nation? Lot's eh? Is the majority, now somehow differnet for gay marriage?


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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You think that is bad, how do you think it looked when just 9 judges overruled 19 states, and effectively tens of millions of voters, that had established laws banning interracial marriage? And we all know how horrible that turned out.

    There were religious thinkers that had their views back then as well...

    "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."

    How could you argue with reasoning like that?
    Irrelevant.. Color and homosexuality have nothing in common! I am not "predisposed" to being black, or white...



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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    What Constitution? This judge you mean? How many "slim" majorities have wriyyen major law in this nation? Lot's eh? Is the majority, now somehow differnet for gay marriage?


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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The Constitution of the United States of America. Also known as the law of the land and the will of the people.
    What "equal protection"? What due process? Should we as a society protect everything? Look, Constitution or not.. When the clear will of the people is so blatantly disregarded, you have trouble on your hands. Like it or not, the vote is important! When a single person so willfully denies the vote, without a compelling enough argument, as to why, you have the potential for trouble.



    Most people don't understand the law, but there was nothing, inandofitself that this law nullified. I think it not hard to present an argument against the idea that homosexuality is immutable, and or innate. One of the two qualifiers previous, is required to prove a class of people.



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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    The founders never made it an issue because it was unforseeable to allow gay marriage. How could they have known that gays would want to be married? How can 4% (at best) of the population affect society? Why should it? It's the "why should it" that has a test. That of immutablity, and innateness. Prove that, and you have a case, don't, and you have no leg to stand on.

    by the way, the burden is on those seeking special class..






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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Notwithstanding this gay mariage issue, how does it look when a single judge overrules 7 million California votes?
    Naturally, one has to assess the circumstances.

    The courts had no basis for interfering in Arizona's SB1070. That was purely political, and the Constitution does not bear out the Messiah's claims.

    The people promoting Prop 8 violated the 14th Amendment. That means the courts were obligated to throw the local ballot measure out until such time as California and 35 other states get the Constitution amended.

    The United States isn't a democracy. The majority does not get it's way no matter what.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Its lost every single time it was up to a popular vote. 0-31. Those of us against gay marriage are in the clear majority.
    So?

    This says 90% o all that needs to be said:

    Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History

    1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


    This says the other 10%:

    Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.

    That's it.

    Not one mention of discrimination between which of "the people" get this protection, and which are denied it.

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