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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    nothing to do witth gay marriage........you have a race of people verses a class of people defined by who they have sex with.......
    Wait, so interracial marriage has nothing to do with this, but polygamy does? Have you ever though to try and be consistent?
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    nothing to do witth gay marriage........you have a race of people verses a class of people defined by who they have sex with.......
    Its the same arguments. People like you were "disgusted" with inter-racial marriage because it cheapened their marriage. They were bigots in the same way.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Nothing has been settled yet my left wing friend...I would not count my chickens if I were you...........

    A gay judge ruling for gays...nothing more............
    Other than the fact that you are for the liberty and justice for a restricted group instead of all law-abiding, tax-paying citizens to marry the individual of their choosing.

    You would rather big government tell them who they are not allowed to marry. You don't see it as such, but you're supporting big government. You want it to rule people's lives whom you disagree with.

    As long as they don't tell YOU what to do, you want small government. But you don't mind big government if it intrudes in other people's lives.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Other than the fact that you are for the liberty and justice for a restricted group instead of all law-abiding, tax-paying citizens to marry the individual of their choosing.

    You would rather big government tell them who they are not allowed to marry. You don't see it as such, but you're supporting big government. You want it to rule people's lives whom you disagree with.

    As long as they don't tell YOU what to do, you want small government. But you don't mind big government if it intrudes in other people's lives.
    Navy is a big government advocate.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Navy is a big government advocate.
    Its called big government when you disagree with it.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    nothing to do witth gay marriage........you have a race of people verses a class of people defined by who they have sex with.......
    Who they have sex with is irrelevant. A man can marry a woman, and I do not have equal rights to do the same. It's flat out gender discrimination. Doesn't involve the sexual act at all.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Yeah, I think I am getting you, personally though I feel that even with them, my quality of life is in no way diminished. Its probably just a matter of perception.
    Quick example because we're derailing a lot.

    One of my hobbies is guns.
    I have a license that allows me to buy some guns through a parcel service(UPS and Fedex only) but not others, even though they function and have nearly all the same characteristics.
    It's moronic.

    I'm getting interested in roll your own tobacco but after the last SCHIP bill passed, I can't order it through the mail anymore(only UPS and Fedex will carry it now and it must not be cigarette tobacco, pipes/cigar only.), same with guns.
    Someone decided that their moral beliefs were better suited to paint on me and my interests.
    With no real basis in fact or reason.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    A few quick points to make.

    1. The will of the people was not overturned. This country is a Constitutional Republic. The will of the people is the Constitution of the United States of America, not a ballot measure passed by a slim majority of California voters. The judge determined that the will of those voters violated the rights of a minority guaranteed by the federal Constitution. The judge defended the will of the people, the Constitution, he did not overturn it.

    2. A majority of California's voters have been nationally disgraced by this ruling as it paints them as discriminatory. Instead of focusing on the rhetoric of "Traditional Marriage" and "Equality" they should have been focusing on the real issues of the ballot measure. Do same sex couples provide good homes for children? Will same sex marriage alter the social norms of heterosexual marriage? Does California have an interest in supporting two different classes of legally recognized relationships? These are the questions Californians should have been discussing in 2008, and for failing to do so, they must face this ruling today. While the rest of the country demands that they justify their decision to violate the equal protection and due process of an entire group of people, this majority can only answer with meaningless and embarrassing rhetoric like "we wished to preserve the definition of marriage" and "same sex couples getting married cheapens the definition of marriage".

    3. Push for a Federal Amendment to the Constitution now defining marriage as between a man and a woman if you are planning to do so. When this gets to the Supreme Court, 30 states will be feeling what California is feeling now. The realization that putting people's civil rights before a democratic vote is a travesty to everything this country stands for and an embarrassment to the core principles that this country professes to the world.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    I could give a ****, either way, if gays get married. But, at what point can't a judge over-rule the will of the people?
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I could give a ****, either way, if gays get married. But, at what point can't a judge over-rule the will of the people?
    When they aren't wrong.
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