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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You can't vote a right away that never existed. As I said, they voted to define the right of marriage and what the contract's boundaries are. No right was taken away, rather a non existent right was defined and put into existence. There is nothing that specifically states that that homosexuals have the right to fit their union into the definition of marriage.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And rightfully so. People have the right to religion and religious expression. If a private church does not recognize gay marriage, they do not have to extend their services to homosexual couples. It is their right to refuse it. And I personally believe that many on the pro-gay marriage front would also support a Church's right to not have to marry same sex couples.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Okay. Which is why the losing side will appeal this decision to a higher court, and this will ultimately be heard by the Supreme Court, which will determine the constitutionality of the law. That's how the process works, Digsbe. That's how it has ALWAYS worked.
    Yes, and for many states the process ruled that it was perfectly Constitutional to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. This judge violated the Constitution and spun it in order to impose his personal beliefs into law.

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    Right to contract has always existed.
    So why is there a problem with people's right to define a contract that had no legal definition when the state brought the decision to the people?
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You can't vote a right away that never existed. As I said, they voted to define the right of marriage and what the contract's boundaries are. No right was taken away, rather a non existent right was defined and put into existence. There is nothing that specifically states that that homosexuals have the right to fit their union into the definition of marriage.
    The 14th amendment states otherwise.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, in your opinion, not all Americans have rights?
    In this case gay marriage was not allowed so what right was lost?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    There are churches that do it now
    Yes, there are, but the federal government does not recognize those marriages. In the DOMA ruling, the judge pointed out that there are over 1000 legal rights conveyed by federal law for married couples.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You mean like 40 years ago people saying it is illegal for gays to marry so it will never happen?
    You just don't get separation between Church, and State do you?
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    In this case gay marriage was not allowed so what right was lost?
    Equal protection under the law.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So why is there a problem with people's right to define a contract that had no legal definition when the state brought the decision to the people?
    I think you misunderstand what it means to have right to contract. I want to enter into a marriage contract, which has many legal consequences and privileges, with Bob. But I can't because someone else said I cannot enter into that contract with another dude. You have thus infringed upon my right to contract. You don't get to dictate the terms to me, it's my right to contract. If y'all got together and said "Ikari cannot enter into a contract with another man over painting his house", you have infringed upon my right to contract. My right to contract isn't subject to the communities whims. Communities and societies do not have rights; only individuals have rights. The State cannot infringe upon my right to contract either. The one and only limitation to my right to contract is that I cannot infringe upon the rights of others while exercising it.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    What is this about flaunting? People should just be able to BE who they are, not pretend to be straight so as not to upset the ... well, easily upset.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Most gay people don't but why deny them the ability to marry?

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