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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You don't understand that all laws are subject to a constitutional litmus test, and that the supreme court is a check on the legislative branch? Didn't you learn this in elementary school?

    Yes, I do understand that. Which is why in my state it was challenged and found to be in line with the Constitution just like the Prop 8 in California is constitutional. A gay judge ruled it to be unconstitutional in my opinion because he is biased and legislating from the bench. Many other states and judges have ruled that it is constitutional. This ruling is being challenged and brought before the appeals court as well. The judge is wrong in his ruling.

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    The vote should of never happened. You aren't allowed to vote peoples rights away, which is what that vote was doing. Gay marriage shouldn't be up to a vote, it should be legalized nationwide, just like heterosexual marriage. I still have no idea how your rights are being violated? Will this law someone change the way you live? No it won't, it won't effect you adversely, or take away your right to marriage, so your not making a point. Your just re-framing arguments that were used by the opposition of the civil rights movement. Nothing more than bigotry.
    You can't vote a right away that never existed. As I said, they voted to define the right of marriage and what the contract's boundaries are. No right was taken away, rather a non existent right was defined and put into existence. There is nothing that specifically states that that homosexuals have the right to fit their union into the definition of marriage.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Guess what? If the people voted that in, it would be thrown out by the courts due ti it being illegal. I wonder if you can relate that back to today's ruling...
    Indeed, such an action by government would violate the First Amendment.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The vote should of never happened. You aren't allowed to vote peoples rights away, which is what that vote was doing. Gay marriage shouldn't be up to a vote, it should be legalized nationwide, just like heterosexual marriage. I still have no idea how your rights are being violated? Will this law someone change the way you live? No it won't, it won't effect you adversely, or take away your right to marriage, so your not making a point. Your just re-framing arguments that were used by the opposition of the civil rights movement. Nothing more than bigotry.
    You have to have rights for them to be voted away. This just confirmed the law on the books. No rights were lost

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes, I do understand that. Which is why in my state it was challenged and found to be in line with the Constitution just like the Prop 8 in California is constitutional. A gay judge ruled it to be unconstitutional in my opinion because he is biased and legislating from the bench. Many other states and judges have ruled that it is constitutional. This ruling is being challenged and brought before the appeals court as well. The judge is wrong in his ruling.
    Okay. Which is why the losing side will appeal this decision to a higher court, and this will ultimately be heard by the Supreme Court, which will determine the constitutionality of the law. That's how the process works, Digsbe. That's how it has ALWAYS worked.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Guess what? If the people voted that in, it would be thrown out by the courts due ti it being illegal. I wonder if you can relate that back to today's ruling...
    And rightfully so. People have the right to religion and religious expression. If a private church does not recognize gay marriage, they do not have to extend their services to homosexual couples. It is their right to refuse it. And I personally believe that many on the pro-gay marriage front would also support a Church's right to not have to marry same sex couples.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You have to have rights for them to be voted away. This just confirmed the law on the books. No rights were lost
    So, in your opinion, not all Americans have rights?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes, I do understand that. Which is why in my state it was challenged and found to be in line with the Constitution just like the Prop 8 in California is constitutional. A gay judge ruled it to be unconstitutional in my opinion because he is biased and legislating from the bench. Many other states and judges have ruled that it is constitutional. This ruling is being challenged and brought before the appeals court as well. The judge is wrong in his ruling.
    And what in the language of his ruling do you disagree with? Since you think his ruling is wrong, you have to have something based on the actual ruling itself you find inappropriate, beyond the fact the judge is gay.

    The gay charge is especially amusing since, as pointed out in this thread, the judges confirmation was held up by some liberals due to his being seen as unfriendly towards gays based on an other ruling.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No it won't. That would be illegal, and I would be against that. Church, and State are two different and separate things. Or did you not get that memo?
    You mean like 40 years ago people saying it is illegal for gays to marry so it will never happen?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes, I do understand that. Which is why in my state it was challenged and found to be in line with the Constitution just like the Prop 8 in California is constitutional. A gay judge ruled it to be unconstitutional in my opinion because he is biased and legislating from the bench. Many other states and judges have ruled that it is constitutional. This ruling is being challenged and brought before the appeals court as well. The judge is wrong in his ruling.
    So the other cases in which heterosexual judges ruled, they couldn't have make that judgement because they are biased against same sex marriage and thus legislating from the bench?
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CompSciGuy View Post
    Hopefully, some churches would see the error of their ways and accept them, but of course they won't be forced. Our country protects the rights of bigots too (the Klan isn't forced to take non-whites, so I don't see why churches would be forced to take homosexuals).
    There are churches that do it now

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