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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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    Gays try to convert me sometimes, but hey, who can blame them? I'm one hell of a good looking guy!
    Have that same problem.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Let's turn it around then. Why do others have the right to infringe upon my beliefs that homosexual unions are not marriage? Why do they have the right to infringe upon my rights as a person with a vote? Why do they have the right to infringe upon my beliefs and prevent them from ever becoming legal? There is no "right" to homosexual unions in the constitution. Homosexuals don't have the right to amend the definition of marriage to include the union. It's a self proclaimed "right."

    To all others who quote me. It's hard to respond to like 5 people who literally quote everything I say. I can't respond to every single post and it's a tad overwhelming.
    You don't get it do you? Homosexuals are not I repeat NOT infringing on your rights. You don't have to recognize their marriage, but the government does. You are very different from the government. You can have whatever belief you want, but if you want to push those beliefs into the government then thats when I, and many others start objecting. You don't have to like homosexuals, but you can't persecute them. Also yes it is a Constitutional right, the 14th amendment provides equal protection under the law for every citizen, not just heterosexual citizens. As it stands now LGBT people are second class citizens under the law, and that has to change. Whether you want it to or not.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Let's turn it around then. Why do others have the right to infringe upon my beliefs that homosexual unions are not marriage? Why do they have the right to infringe upon my rights as a person with a vote? Why do they have the right to infringe upon my beliefs and prevent them from ever becoming legal? There is no "right" to homosexual unions in the constitution. Homosexuals don't have the right to amend the definition of marriage to include the union. It's a self proclaimed "right."

    To all others who quote me. It's hard to respond to like 5 people who literally quote everything I say. I can't respond to every single post and it's a tad overwhelming.
    You don't have to accept gay marriages. As long as the law sees gay marriages and hetero marriages as equal that is all that matters. You personally can see gay marriages however. Gay marriage doesn't infringe on your right to vote, but I will agree that in this case the vote was overturned. I agree with the overturning because to me as I guess many others did it not make gays equal to everyone else. I agree that there is no right for gay marriages in the constitution just as there is no right for hetero marriages. What right is in the constitution is equally and to me that right was violated with Prop 8.

    As for you last part I think many people respond to you because you tend to be a very good poster and some one that is good to debate with.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    You just lost all credibility, not that you had much to begin with.

    Marriage is a legal contract between two consenting ADULTS. Can a horse consent? No. Can a child consent? No.
    Why? Where is there a definition that states that? And why does it have to be adult humans? And yes, a child can consent. They may not be informed on their decision, but they can still offer their consent. I'm pretty sure teenagers can consent to sex and contracts as well. Your definition of marriage is that it is a union between consenting adults. Why does your definition trump Billy who's sexual orientation is bestiality? What about his definition that marriage is a contract between to consenting organisms that love each other? Why can you impose on his beliefs?
    I think you are stuck on the idea that marriage = church, which is not true. Church = ceremony. STATE LAW = marriage.
    Huh? My vote=my right. Prop 8 is on the ballot, my right to vote for Prop 8 is legal. Elections=enacting state law and appointing elected officials. Prop 8=elected proposition.
    It's why churches can't marry a person to a horse, or to a child, even if they wanted to.

    Debating with you is a waste of time. Go to your corner and cry it out, and then move on with your life. I'm going back to the 21st century now.
    Your personal attacks are futile. nice try at offending me though.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Perfection. That pic shows my feelings. I'm so happy. This news just made my week. Possibly longer. I can't stop smiling. I already did the tears bit. (((((Star)))))) This is such good news.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I am not debating the moral stance of homosexuality. I have said in other threads how it is illogical to compare homosexuality to those things. What I am doing is trying to keep things logically consistent legally when people say homosexuals have an inherent right to wed and that no one has the right to trounce upon that. By is their right to wed based on? And why can't it apply to other sexualities? Again, I am not debating the morality of homosexuality, I am debating the legality of the decision to wrongfully rule Prop 8 as illegal because it infringes upon the rights of others.
    Cool, we're zoning in here then. I am actually not debating the morality of homosexuality either, totally different argument. But the fact is, marriage, in this country, is a civil contract, which directly affects many other aspects of a person's life. At this point it's basically a "you say why, i say why not" thing. Why WOULDN'T homosexuals have the right to marry? Why can't a man make the same contract with another man which a man can make with a woman? And why would one group of people have the right to tell another group of people that they cannot do something which doesn't affect them? You are right however, if there were a third sexuality, it would certainly apply.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You don't get it do you? Homosexuals are not I repeat NOT infringing on your rights. You don't have to recognize their marriage, but the government does. You are very different from the government. You can have whatever belief you want, but if you want to push those beliefs into the government then thats when I, and many others start objecting. You don't have to like homosexuals, but you can't persecute them. Also yes it is a Constitutional right, the 14th amendment provides equal protection under the law for every citizen, not just heterosexual citizens. As it stands now LGBT people are second class citizens under the law, and that has to change. Whether you want it to or not.
    I do get, it. Do you get that my right to my beliefs and my vote are being infringed upon? My right to have my moral stance represented in California has been trampled on. You say I don't have a right to vote my opinion into law because it infringes upon the "rights" of others. The vote itself was to define who gets marital rights. It was to establish what that right is. What law says specifically that gays that the "right" to wed? they were voting to define that right.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Why? Where is there a definition that states that?
    Whhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It has already been explained to you ad nauseum how none of these things are happening.

    You have CHOSEN not to listen. Not our problem.

    Keep having a heart attack about it though. It amuses me.
    Likewise, I have explained to others why it tramples upon my right to vote. You have not accepted that.

    I'm not the one having a heart attack, nor am I the one expressing rage and flaming users for their beliefs.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    warning some language I'd like to think that people would watch this and think differently - maybe ....



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