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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    They also violate the "rights" of bestiality and pedophiles. I don't think the right to marry a horse or marry a child is right either.

    The court here wants to trample on people's votes and force a moral stance that homosexual unions are the same legally as heterosexual unions. Why can they infringe upon someone's "right" to marry a cat, or a spoon, or a child? Why aren't those things rights? What would your position be if people wanted to marry their loyal dogs and pets and states no one has the right to tell them their union is illegal or wrong?
    Let's skip the part where you compare homosexuals to pedophiles or inanimate objects. It's a common theme among Christians, but there is no real way to debate insanity.
    I'll ask you AGAIN, why do you feel that forcing others to live by your standards is standing up for your rights, but when you are not allowed to do this, they are forcing their beliefs upon you?
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No it's 0% of the people should have authority over 0% of people.
    Thats not how it works

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Man I have Christians come to my home, regularly, waking me up (I work at night) in an attempt to convert me.

    I do not have gay people doing the same.
    Gays try to convert me sometimes, but hey, who can blame them? I'm one hell of a good looking guy!
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Digsbe, you say your beliefs aren't being treated equally under the law. And they aren't, you know why? Because they infringe upon the rights of others, thats why. It's not that hard to understand, stop thinking with your religion, and start thinking with your brain. White supremacy isn't equal under the law, neither is ant-semitism, nor any other believe system that infringes upon the rights of others. Deal with, it's called living in America, don't like then move.
    Let's turn it around then. Why do others have the right to infringe upon my beliefs that homosexual unions are not marriage? Why do they have the right to infringe upon my rights as a person with a vote? Why do they have the right to infringe upon my beliefs and prevent them from ever becoming legal? There is no "right" to homosexual unions in the constitution. Homosexuals don't have the right to amend the definition of marriage to include the union. It's a self proclaimed "right."

    To all others who quote me. It's hard to respond to like 5 people who literally quote everything I say. I can't respond to every single post and it's a tad overwhelming.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    They also violate the "rights" of bestiality and pedophiles. I don't think the right to marry a horse or marry a child is right either.
    You just lost all credibility, not that you had much to begin with.

    Marriage is a legal contract between two consenting ADULTS. Can a horse consent? No. Can a child consent? No.

    I think you are stuck on the idea that marriage = church, which is not true. Church = ceremony. STATE LAW = marriage.

    It's why churches can't marry a person to a horse, or to a child, even if they wanted to.

    Debating with you is a waste of time. Go to your corner and cry it out, and then move on with your life. I'm going back to the 21st century now.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Come on guy, try to be reasonable here. It wasn't the best worded sentence, but context tells you everything you need to know. Beliefs which act against the rights and liberties of the individual cannot be put into law because of the effect that they have on the free practice of an individual's rights. When those beliefs are pushed towards laws, the laws are illegal as they violate the rights and liberties of others and can be challenged in court; as was the case here. You cannot use government force to enforce your personal beliefs if through the enforcement of those beliefs you infringe upon the rights and liberties of the individual.

    Seriously, I'm not asking much here; just try to be reasonable and consider the context.
    thank you, seriously, friend, i've read you carefully

    you were not taken out of context, in my opinion

    the entire direction your argument leads, my decent-hearted correspondent, is towards the quotes i so cruelly and aggressively lifted

    the future of gay marriage in this country is JUST A MATTER OF TIME

    however, leadership requires prudence and vision and understanding of THE LED

    etc

    take care, ikari, and, really, congrats on the legal victory

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by rudygetsplenty View Post
    Let's skip the part where you compare homosexuals to pedophiles or inanimate objects. It's a common theme among Christians, but there is no real way to debate insanity.
    I'll ask you AGAIN, why do you feel that forcing others to live by your standards is standing up for your rights, but when you are not allowed to do this, they are forcing their beliefs upon you?
    I am not debating the moral stance of homosexuality. I have said in other threads how it is illogical to compare homosexuality to those things. What I am doing is trying to keep things logically consistent legally when people say homosexuals have an inherent right to wed and that no one has the right to trounce upon that. By is their right to wed based on? And why can't it apply to other sexualities? Again, I am not debating the morality of homosexuality, I am debating the legality of the decision to wrongfully rule Prop 8 as illegal because it infringes upon the rights of others.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Let's turn it around then. Why do others have the right to infringe upon my beliefs that homosexual unions are not marriage? Why do they have the right to infringe upon my rights as a person with a vote? Why do they have the right to infringe upon my beliefs and prevent them from ever becoming legal?
    It has already been explained to you ad nauseum how none of these things are happening.

    You have CHOSEN not to listen. Not our problem.

    Keep having a heart attack about it though. It amuses me.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    beliefs are illegal once one tries to use the force of govt to enforce them, such as the creation of laws?

    illegal?

    because of the creation of laws?

    to enforce all those indecent, illegal beliefs?

    ah, i see...

    LOL!
    He's a bit off in what he's saying. Obviously, this person's beliefs aren't illegal. Just like anyone else, they can believe gay marriage is morally wrong, and tell anyone they want about it. Hell, they can even form little anti-homo clubs if they so desire. They just shouldn't be able to legislate their beliefs without clear, practical, non-religious reasons. Unlike, lets say something like incest or bestiality (two subjects anti-homosexuals like to compare homosexuality to) there are not huge issues of non-consent, abuse, genetic defects, and oppression in typical homosexual relationships. The rest of society neither gains nor loses anything by legalization of gay marriage.

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