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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I was hoping you would stop by for this thread. What is your thinking on the ruling. I really value your opinion.
    I think the reasoning for the ruling is the best we have yet. The judge stated same-sex marriage bans put gay parents, and gay couples, at a disadvantage compared to their heterosexual counterparts. The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment protects all citizens from things like that.

    Can anyone deny that these bans put heterosexuals at an advantage over homosexuals? Some opponents of same-sex marriage claim it is about families, well homosexuals have children. So do homosexual couples have the right to raise their children as a unit just like heterosexuals? Do homosexuals have the right to family incentives just like heterosexuals? The Equal Protection Clause says, "Yes".
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Who cares if being gay isn't "natural"? Are they people, Mr. Biologist? Does the 14th amendment not guarantee equality for all "people"? Being handicapped is not natural either, so should we prevent handicapped people from getting married too?
    Yes they are people, but the Constitution gives people the right to vote. A gay person's vote is equal with a straight person's vote. Are those who voted for Prop 8 not people? Do they deserve to have their rights trampled on?
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    It doesn't matter biologically since legally you can't infringe upon the rights of others; which includes the right to contract. There is no restriction on marriage that it be biologically viable. So we can just quit being stupid about that line.
    You can't infringe upon people's right to vote. Should we repeal child consent ages? Because you infringe upon a 13 year old's right to have sex with grannies/grandpa's if he finds them attractive. Laws are enforced morality that are deemed to be moral by society. Anything could be claimed as a "right."
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes they are people, but the Constitution gives people the right to vote. A gay person's vote is equal with a straight person's vote. Are those who voted for Prop 8 not people? Do they deserve to have their rights trampled on?
    What so-called rights of theirs are being trampled on?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no thanks to barry

    his doj in the central district in 2009 compared gay marriage to pedophilia and incest

    ugly

    Why Does Obama Keep Flip-Flopping on Gay Marriage? - TIME
    Um, can we stay on topic? If we agree that Obama is not the best friend we could have on this issue, can we possible talk about the law and not turn this into just another thread where you guys bash Obama even when it isn't relevant to the thread?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think we are having a good one. Not even your rants about Obama can derail the good mood we have.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes they are people, but the Constitution gives people the right to vote. A gay person's vote is equal with a straight person's vote. Are those who voted for Prop 8 not people? Do they deserve to have their rights trampled on?

    You can't infringe upon people's right to vote. Should we repeal child consent ages? Because you infringe upon a 13 year old's right to have sex with grannies/grandpa's if he finds them attractive. Laws are enforced morality that are deemed to be moral by society. Anything could be claimed as a "right."
    Their right to vote was not infringed. They voted and nobody prevented them from doing so.
    Explain what rights are being taken away? I'm straight, if I go to California, is there some right that I've lost?
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    I think the reasoning for the ruling is the best we have yet. The judge stated same-sex marriage bans put gay parents, and gay couples, at a disadvantage compared to their heterosexual counterparts. The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment protects all citizens from things like that.

    Can anyone deny that these bans put heterosexuals at an advantage over homosexuals? Some opponents of same-sex marriage claim it is about families, well homosexuals have children. So do homosexual couples have the right to raise their children as a unit just like heterosexuals? Do homosexuals have the right to family incentives just like heterosexuals? The Equal Protection Clause says, "Yes".
    Amen! I seriously am glad society is more accepting of gays for the children of gay people. Growing up with a gay parent in the 70's and 80's was seriously ****ing surreal at times.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    That only pertains to MA
    Oops you are right. What a disappointment.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Um, can we stay on topic? If we agree that Obama is not the best friend we could have on this issue, can we possible talk about the law and not turn this into just another thread where you guys bash Obama even when it isn't relevant to the thread?
    you talk about law

    i do politics

    this is just another loser

    once more, elites know best, voters be damned

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    good, moody people are precious

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    Close. Adults, more serious, prefer relevant links. Get back to us when you have those.
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