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California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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Harry Guerrilla said:
That balance can take a very long time, incurring lots of injustices a long the way.
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No society is ever perfect. But I think it is a better way than any other way I can think of.
 
USA = A country of freedom....in 10 years, USA = A country of Gay lovers... :) ....btw, who will gonna fight with Iran ? gay couples ?
 
Navy Pride said:
You do know we are talking about the definition of marriage right?
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Navy Pride said:
I bet the people that practice polygamy are following this decision closely or any other group that is defined by their sexual orientation.....

Stay tuned..........
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I am sure you can point out where in the ruling it would be construed as allowing polygamy. Actually, I am doubtful, dunno why.
 
megaprogman said:
No society is ever perfect. But I think it is a better way than any other way I can think of.
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This is the way I look at it.

I only get to live here, as me once.
The more people try to make things difficult for me to live, the less happy I am.
I don't want to waste, something I consider precious to me, following lousy misguided rules.
 
Redress said:
I am sure you can point out where in the ruling it would be construed as allowing polygamy. Actually, I am doubtful, dunno why.
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That case could very well be made.
The main argument is that by making marriage only between a man and a woman, it violates the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment by discriminating against gays. But I fail to see why that doesn't mean that 1. laws defining marriage as between one man and one woman discriminate against people who want to marry multiple partners; and 2. laws forbidding minors to (consensually) marry discriminate against pedophiles.
Granted, that second one is less likely to apply, since minors don't have full legal rights.

Still, I'm agnostic about this.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
This is the way I look at it.

I only get to live here, as me once.
The more people try to make things difficult for me to live, the less happy I am.
I don't want to waste, something I consider precious to me, following lousy misguided rules.
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Whats interesting is that I feel the same way, yet come to a very different conclusion.
 
Redress said:
I am sure you can point out where in the ruling it would be construed as allowing polygamy. Actually, I am doubtful, dunno why.
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Do I have to explain the 14th amenddment and the equal protection clause to you?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Does it somehow change your marriage?
Do tell because if it, all of sudden makes your spouse not love you anymore, we should look into it. :roll:
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It cheapens the definition of marriage.............
 
Dav said:
That case could very well be made.
The main argument is that by making marriage only between a man and a woman, it violates the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment by discriminating against gays. But I fail to see why that doesn't mean that 1. laws defining marriage as between one man and one woman discriminate against people who want to marry multiple partners; and 2. laws forbidding minors to (consensually) marry discriminate against pedophiles.
Granted, that second one is less likely to apply, since minors don't have full legal rights.

Still, I'm agnostic about this.
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I think the polygamy argument is pretty weak. I will try and look into it more tomorrow. Been a long day today.

By the way, I almost posted in my last post "Dav, no helping him, make him do his own work", then decided not to...and turns out I should have.
 
Navy Pride said:
Do I have to explain the 14th amenddment and the equal protection clause to you?
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No, just the ruling the judge made. You have read it, right?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Does it somehow change your marriage?
Do tell because if it, all of sudden makes your spouse not love you anymore, we should look into it. :roll:
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I've always thought this was the worst ever argument for gay marriage.
Bestiality does not affect people (and animals) not engaged in it. Pedophilia/statutory rape does not affect anyone not involved. Marrying an animal or a young child does not affect anyone not involved in the marriage. Yet they're still illegal, as they should be.
There are good arguments for gay marriage, but this is not one of them.
 
megaprogman said:
Whats interesting is that I feel the same way, yet come to a very different conclusion.
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I like to micro manage my life.
Not being an ass but a lot of people feel different about that.

Plus without real situational difficulty, it's not fun anymore.
(Situational, like overcoming technical problems, meeting hard but not impossible goals, etc.)
 
Navy Pride said:
Do your own homework for once.............Its been explained a thousand times..........
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I have an understanding of the 14th amendment. I want to know your interpretation.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I like to micro manage my life.
Not being an ass but a lot of people feel different about that.

Plus without real situational difficulty, it's not fun anymore.
(Situational, like overcoming technical problems, meeting hard but not impossible goals, etc.)
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I live in the same state that you do and I in no way feel micromanaged.
 
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