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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    If we could rate posts, I'd give this one a 10/10.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I just had to hop in here because I find this argument hilarious. The judge who was originally nominated by Ronald Reagan, who had his nomination defeated by Nancy Pelosi, who was finally confirmed by George Bush, who was challenged in his confirmation by almost every gay group in California because he represented the Olympics against the Gay Olympics, who is an avid libertarian conservative who has openly argued that government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all, etc. is influenced by his sexual orientation in this decision? I gotta give it to ya tex, that is the dumbest argument I have ever heard on this forum. Way to go!

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I just had to hop in here because I find this argument hilarious. The judge who was originally nominated by Ronald Reagan, who had his nomination defeated by Nancy Pelosi, who was finally confirmed by George Bush, who was challenged in his confirmation by almost every gay group in California because he represented the Olympics against the Gay Olympics, who is an avid libertarian conservative who has openly argued that government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all, etc. is influenced by his sexual orientation in this decision? I gotta give it to ya tex, that is the dumbest argument I have ever heard on this forum. Way to go!
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I just had to hop in here because I find this argument hilarious. The judge who was originally nominated by Ronald Reagan, who had his nomination defeated by Nancy Pelosi, who was finally confirmed by George Bush, who was challenged in his confirmation by almost every gay group in California because he represented the Olympics against the Gay Olympics, who is an avid libertarian conservative who has openly argued that government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all, etc. is influenced by his sexual orientation in this decision? I gotta give it to ya tex, that is the dumbest argument I have ever heard on this forum. Way to go!
    That has been my argument for a long time now. Marriage wasn't created by government, and now they ought to give the title back to the people since they cannot preserve marriage's original intent. We all need to be free to define what marriage is because really it should be a personal thing, more of a spiritual thing. The government ought to simply decide what laws they need to enact to protect convenants between two people who want to share property, create a family that involves children, etc. To continue calling what the government has created as marriage is a farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Walker ruled that Prop 8 did not pass the intermediate scrutiny test because the state had no substantial interest in mandating gender roles in marriage. Therefore, Prop 8 was gender discrimination. For children below the age of consent to be allowed to marry, it would have to pass the Rational-basis test. Care to explain how the government would have an interest in young children marrying pedophiles?
    Wait, Walker actually ruled on this based on the inherent gender discrimination? Really?! Awesome, I wasn't aware that part of my argument on this is actually something hitting the legal zone.

    What exactly about gender discrimination was his point? The government having a purpose in having "gender roles" in marriage or the inherent discrimination in allowing one gender to marry the other but not to marry their own?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Critical, I applaud your attempts here but for the sake of your sanity I'd say give it up. You can go check out the first 1000 or so posts and see I've been going round and round the exact same way with the exact same person and it never sunk in, so much so that he couldn't even display the capacity to honestly read my posts and respond to what was actually said rather than what he decided he wanted to argue against. Seriously, you're spot on with this...regarding scrutiny, the levels, the EPC, gender discrimination, etc...but none of its going to matter because some people are physically allergic to facts, logic, and actual truth.

    Its wonderful to know that the judge in question actually took the Gender tact, as its the far more logical and likely to be successful way of looking at this then trying to suggest that sexual orientation should be pushed up the scale of scrutiny and be classified as middle or top tie.r

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Testing.. Testing..

    Hey Zyphlin, quick question. Since this thread is mired in all kinds of off topic subjects, is it customery to ask permission to begin a new thread and call it part II. I say this because we haven't heard from a lot of other members on the subject, and I think it's because no one wants to read 1800 posts to get up to speed. Plus I have a really, really, really long post that needs to be broken down into several posts, and I don't want anyone that the post addrsses to miss anything..

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Part II is already out there.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    If we could rate posts, I'd give this one a 10/10.
    Hmm.. I'm not sure what any of CriticalThought's post has to do with a claim of bias. What? Are we supposed to believe that Reagan can't nominate biased judges? That Nancy Pelosi wouldn't have defeated him if he was biased? That avid libertarian conservatives are NEVER biased?

    Add the "this is the dumbest argument I have ever heard on this forum" and you've got a big pile of steaming dribble.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    DRIVEL. Good lord. If you don't know the word, do some digging.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Hmm.. I'm not sure what any of CriticalThought's post has to do with a claim of bias. What? Are we supposed to believe that Reagan can't nominate biased judges? That Nancy Pelosi wouldn't have defeated him if he was biased? That avid libertarian conservatives are NEVER biased?

    Add the "this is the dumbest argument I have ever heard on this forum" and you've got a big pile of steaming dribble.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    DRIVEL. Good lord.
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