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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Christians MAY be a majority, but fundies are not.

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    That is your opinion....The majority of the people in this country (Christians) disagree with you on that statement......

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Christians MAY be a majority, but fundies are not.
    I don't know what a fundie is.......Can you elaborate? Thanks
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    Fundamentalist. Pentacostal, holy roller.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I don't know what a fundie is.......Can you elaborate? Thanks

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Polygamists don't qualify for a marriage license based on their CURRENT MARITAL STATUS. Have you ever applied for a marriage license? If you had, then you would know that people who were previously married must supply proof the previous marriage was annulled or dissolved.

    **also most polygamists are looking to marry girls under the age of consent.
    Go back and read the equal protection clause. Once again you jump into a conversation with half the knowledge you need to sustain an argument. This is about who gets to marry and why. The argument being used here is the Equal Protection Clause under the 14th ammendment.

    Children are not adults--they can not consent to marriage. They are getting equal protection under the law.
    Epic fail The equal protection clause does not mention an age limit.

    Once again you fail miserably to read the required documentation.

    Gaping hold indeed....
    Yes. Your inability to read the facts of the case and understanding it is quite a hole.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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    There are a few ways. One is on rights issues. Polygamy rarely works out in a non-oppressive manner.
    Thats an opinion not a fact.

    We even still have modern day examples of this in the US. If this were done in a way that completely abides by the rights of the individual, you can try to work around that. But the polygamist communities such as in Arizona, that's not how it works in practice. So you can always go that route.
    You can't deny a right under the 14th ammendment by what "might" happen.

    Another way is to site precedent. Which would be Utah. It was not even allowed into the Republic unless it made polygamy illegal.
    Exactly. Just as gay marriage is outlawed in over 25 states.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The fact is no one knows if gays are born that way or not....There are arguments on both sides of the issue........
    Irrelevant to this case. Whether homosexuality is innate or a choice has no relevance to Walker's ruling. Walker didn't rule that Prop 8 was unconstitutional on the basis that it violated the 14th amendment by discriminating against sexual orientation. He overturned it on the basis that it discriminated again gender. Things like gender, race, age, etc. are protected classes by federal law, and things like polygamy, pedophilia, and sexual orientation are not. Walker argued the state had no rational or legitimate interest in mandating gender roles in marriage, and therefore could not lawfully discriminate against a man choosing to marry a man or a woman choosing to marry a woman. Whether or not they were homosexual couples is irrelevant, he overturned Prop 8 on the basis of gender discrimination, not sexual orientation discrimination.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Thats an opinion not a fact.



    You can't deny a right under the 14th ammendment by what "might" happen.



    Exactly. Just as gay marriage is outlawed in over 25 states.
    Find me a decision or a quote in the Constitution that says "size of group" is a protected class.

    Find it for me, otherwise you're the only one dealing in "what might happen". There is NO - ZERO - ZILCH evidence that this can or will lead to polygamy. You're the one making things up and getting all worried about them.

    It won't happen. Now, calm down and go about whatever it is you do instead of creating imaginary boogie men for you to freak out over.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is your opinion....The majority of the people in this country (Christians) disagree with you on that statement......
    Once again, I am going to ask you to prove a claim, that most people in this country actually do think gays are deviant. Once again, you are almost certainly not going to do this.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    nor does it matter what they want if a judge finds it unconstitutional
    nor does it make it right, ill post again for example

    in n 1948, about 90% of American Adults opposed interracial marriage when the Supreme Court of California legalized it, and California became the first state that allowed loving, committed interracial couples to marry.

    and then not until 1967(19 years later), about 72% were opposed to interracial marriage. This was the year when the U.S. Supreme Court was legalized interracial marriage everywhere in the U.S.

    and then not until 1991 (24 years later), those adults opposed to interracial marriage became a minority for the first time

    now that not this matters at all but were they right in 1948? should we not have done that? of course it was the right decision to allow it so majority doesnt mean much if it goes against the constitution and something simply should be voted on.

    The judge was simply fulfilling their constitutional mandated roll of safeguarding the peoples liberty
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Actually, only 47% of Americans think that being gay is a choice.
    hard to believe that theres that many, shocking actually but this country does have a lot of sheep in it
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